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Oh and Biden gave China a new friend.

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Well played Joe, well played.

Now let's have Telmar and Mordoror tell us about "how to conduct proper foreign policy" and "how Biden's actions will not lead to a complete and utter collapse of the region".

I'm sorry, i already told you: your pole dancing act does'nt move me, so I will not be slipping a "fiver" in your underwear Ivan.

As for the rest, America had been in Afghanistan 238 months. The evacuation was to be done before april of this year. Trump had signed off on America having lost the war (and that he had'nt started). Biden has 7 months in these 20 years of failure. So pinning the dramatic evac on him is legit. given they did'nt plan for a collapse in days.

The rest of your show is just the glitter of your shiny dancing dress.
 
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On a side note, the "US intelligence agencies" got it wrong twice as much (wild estimation).

What was one of their famous last blunder? Trump-Putin collusion and Trump stealing 2016 from Hillary?
How many "US intelligence agencies" were involved? 17?
 
The Trump administration had managed to break a deal with the Taliban.
The deal got canceled by the Biden administration.

No matter how great of a deal it may have been (and we will never because: 1- all deals Trump made were labeled as "great"; 2- it did not happen in the end) you can't expect either to side to respect their part of said deal when:
1- the other side breaks the deal.
and/or
2- alter the deal and impose new conditions that were not agreed upon.
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Considering the promises made initially, by the US, I can hardly see how the Taliban could have justified respecting their part when the US didn't.

The thing is many don't seem to really understand how things work over there.

The US was supposed to withdraw in May. That agreement (made by the Trump administration) was hammered down (by the Biden administration).
When you are dealing with the Third World and more specifically with that region of the Third World, when it comes to diplomacy, if you strike a bargain and then go back on that bargain that sign of disrespect can be used as propaganda. It is considered a cultural insult.
By pushing back the withdrawal Biden hoped to achieved a "cleaner" withdrawal, maybe manage to bring back some equipment, and also take credit for it because it would "Biden's withdrawal" and "Biden's date". If he had respected Trump's date, the time line would have remembered "Trump ended the longest worthless war", with Biden rubber-stamping what Trump had done, and that would not be good! Because Orange Man Bad, and Biden Man Good.
Now, by pushing it back Biden gave propaganda fodder to the Taliban: hey look! the US didn't not honored the agreement, they violated their promises, they can't be trusted. (on top of which you can also add the pile of resentment the population may have had against a foreign power waging war in their country for two decades, with all the subsequent damage that goes with it in term of casualties).

Not all of them are Taliban though, a substantial number of them may very well be tribal warlords seizing the opportunity.

So, "take a gun, come and fight with us, let us overthrow an illegitimate government (because it refused to stand up to the US)".
Which was a big mistake from the Afghan government by the way, refusing to assert their sovereignty over a foreign entity is quite the sign of weakness.

Now, the Taliban would have been more than likely to rock the boat despite signing the deal anyway. But it wouldn't have been our fault, because they wouldn't have been able to use the withdrawal as propaganda since they had signed on to it.

Biden refusing to take responsibility is callous.

Now the leftoids are claiming "we need to take in the refugees". No. The US should have left on May 1rst, Biden f*cked it up.


Now, in the end, is it surprising? No.
The Taliban were growing in power anyway and somehow getting more legitimacy as a governing entity. They were invited to peace talks, negotiations, etc... and not just as spectators but as actors.
Was it to be expected they would regain power? Very reasonably yes. At least in the realm of possibilities that was a very strong one.


The US stayed there for two decades, spending US$2T, suffering more than 2,500 military casualties, accomplishing absolutely nothing.
The US had the small opportunity to leave, nice and clean, and say "well it's not really a win, it's more like a stalemate, but at least it's not another Vietnam". Because of Biden it is not even another Vietnam. It is far worse than that. It could also be likened to a katrina moment, but far worse.
The response is so surreal and so bad it is not even on the level of Biden's usual incompetence. This is his response:

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"I'll address it in the coming few days".
Trillions spent, hundred of thousand deaths, 20 years war. Nah... I'll talk about it later. Great leadership.

This is an unmitigated disaster from an absentee administration. Biden does not talk about it, the VP does not talk about it, Psaki does not answer questions, any Biden admin do not answer questions, even the Dems are not even addressing the situation.

And the Biden lovers, leftoids, echo chamber are deflecting the issue on Trump like a bunch of morons. This is pathetic blame shifting.
This did not happen under Trump's watch. This happened under Biden's watch. And Biden f*cked it up. He utterly failed to protect US citizens, and now foreign citizens as well, from that situation.

What a joke!


Not only has Biden allowed the US to be portrayed as a deal breaker who can't be trusted, a nation that allowed Afghanistan to fall, a nation that went through another Saigon debacle, but it, more importantly, gave the Taliban the ability to declare the war is over.
The freaking Taliban are the one who stated The war in Afghanistan is Over.

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Biden can't even capitalize on saying "mission accomplished" anymore.
They have failed in the execution of their own plan.


Meanwhile to deal with the situation you have Apache used as crowd control.

Just look at all the videos of the chaos at Kabul airport. That S**t is straight out of a disaster movie:

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Oh yeah, great leadership, competence. Biden, a president who cares and who is compassionate.
I was thinking of the same movie, but didn’t feel it appropriate, but that’s not a criticism, I really fear the next 48 hours…..
 
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Also quoted that the rapid withdrawal would result in this.

Oddly even Helen Clark... apparently NZ soul mother, feels they should have stayed. Even the Greens are wildly upset over the result, though having said all along we should all get out.
Have to wonder how the squad feels about it. Whats their thoughtful intuitive is...Trump.
 
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Also quoted that the rapid withdrawal would result in this.

Oddly even Helen Clark... apparently NZ soul mother, feels they should have stayed. Even the Greens are wildly upset over the result, though having said all along we should all get out.
Have to wonder how the squad feels about it. Whats their thoughtful intuitive is...Trump.
Ah, Helen Clark is not the "soul mother" of New Zealand, she is another venal self-servicing leftist politician who continues to look for attention and assert influence on the country where she is not that widely well regarded.
 
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Clueless...
Those idiots in the White House failed to understand a few things. First, there's a huge difference between the verbs could and would. Second, the most motivated fighters in the world throughout history have been fighting for a) religion or b) an outsider occupying their homeland. In this case, the Taliban had both. And lest anyone get the wrong impression with what I'm about to say, I'm 100% opposed to the Taliban but let's give the Devil his due and the Taliban the respect that they've quite frankly earned. They've proven to be tough, determined fighters willing to fight for however long that it takes to win. They seem to be capable of learning and adapting quickly as needed. Even when the odds appear to be against them, they keep going, and they've only been doing this since the time of Alexander the Great. What made these idiots in the White House think that they could just half a$$ a plan against a group with a 2500 YEAR history of kicking invaders' tails? That's the very height of hubris and incompetence. What I really want to know is did Biden & Co follow the advice they got from the military or did they just make this s#1+sh0w up as they went along?
 
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Hillarious
 
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It seems that this keeps getting worse. The pace of evacuation is extremely slow.
 
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It seems that this keeps getting worse. The pace of evacuation is extremely slow.
I’ve read unconfirmed reports that a window for commercial air travel in reopening at KBL, but that POL supply is a not unexpected GLOC logistics problem relying on Taliban tax on top of Pakistan or Kablamistan tax.

.MIL strategic airlift can land with extra fuel fraction, load up refugees, take off, and immediately hit a tanker.

Commercial airliners don’t have that option.

Being hot and high adds further friction to the POL calculus.

I’m reminded of the children’s riddle:

A man has to get a fox, a chicken, and a sack of corn across a river. He has a rowboat, and it can only carry him and one other thing. If the fox and the chicken are left together, the fox will eat the chicken. If the chicken and the corn are left together, the chicken will eat the corn.
 
I’ve read unconfirmed reports that a window for commercial air travel in reopening at KBL, but that POL supply is a not unexpected GLOC logistics problem relying on Taliban tax on top of Pakistan or Kablamistan tax.

.MIL strategic airlift can land with extra fuel fraction, load up refugees, take off, and immediately hit a tanker.

Commercial airliners don’t have that option.

Being hot and high adds further friction to the POL calculus.

I’m reminded of the children’s riddle:

A man has to get a fox, a chicken, and a sack of corn across a river. He has a rowboat, and it can only carry him and one other thing. If the fox and the chicken are left together, the fox will eat the chicken. If the chicken and the corn are left together, the chicken will eat the corn.
You take the chicken across and then row back empty, you then take corn across and bring back chicken, then take fox across and row back empty to pick up the chicken again. ?
as for the POL calculations......... no f@#ken idea ?
 
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