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According to this report, only 500 of approximately 4000 embassy employees have been evacuated so far. This is not going well. Even this report from Biden supporting CNN reports a very bleak picture, despite the administration saying that things are orderly so far. There's even been tacit admission that the Taliban are in control.
they had EVERY chance to formulate a plan where this would not happen. its so incompetent that maybe its actually part of plan, and not just pure incompetence...
 
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The departure of US troops was agreed on as soon as February 2020, where the US was to leave in 14 months fully. They had already overstayed.


Biden is the one who pulled the plug, so that will always be on him. If they overestimated the resistance of the 20 year trained Afghan army, it is their responsibility. The present administration however does'nt have any responsibility in the failure of building the state during 20 long years with a waterfall of money. Four adminsitrations were involved, the last one gets the door slammed in its a$$. That' s life, I simply hope they had a contingency plan to get their people out. And I hope all did. Amazing it folded so fast.

All of this was going nowhere...Frankly, and this might be a little provocative, the Afghans get the country in the end they wanted. We have seen thousands travel to Europe these last years although the West was pouring money, weapons and its soldiers were giving their life and limbs to build a country that they did' nt care about. I have heard of no effort by some Afghan refugees to build a resistance army to the taliban. Of course, many helped our armies, many were motivated to build a better place, many lost their lives in terrorist attacks as security in their barracks was always a disaster. It's not fair to them that their countrymen and leaders just did'nt care (and their leaders probably got quite rich).

I discovered this year Afghan writer Khaled Hosseini. He writes beautifully about his country, is no friend of the taliban, and is probably mortified by this.
 
Having them and flying them is two different things - and I suspect even if they can get them off the ground, they won't stay in the air long ;)
The Taliban will likely sell them to interested parties, China and Iran come to mind. The former already operates a type of Blackhawk clone.

EDIT: That is, of course, if the US do not manage to unfvck themselves and fail to destroy them from the air.
 
The Trump administration had managed to break a deal with the Taliban.
The deal got canceled by the Biden administration.

No matter how great of a deal it may have been (and we will never because: 1- all deals Trump made were labeled as "great"; 2- it did not happen in the end) you can't expect either to side to respect their part of said deal when:
1- the other side breaks the deal.
and/or
2- alter the deal and impose new conditions that were not agreed upon.
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Considering the promises made initially, by the US, I can hardly see how the Taliban could have justified respecting their part when the US didn't.

The thing is many don't seem to really understand how things work over there.

The US was supposed to withdraw in May. That agreement (made by the Trump administration) was hammered down (by the Biden administration).
When you are dealing with the Third World and more specifically with that region of the Third World, when it comes to diplomacy, if you strike a bargain and then go back on that bargain that sign of disrespect can be used as propaganda. It is considered a cultural insult.
By pushing back the withdrawal Biden hoped to achieved a "cleaner" withdrawal, maybe manage to bring back some equipment, and also take credit for it because it would "Biden's withdrawal" and "Biden's date". If he had respected Trump's date, the time line would have remembered "Trump ended the longest worthless war", with Biden rubber-stamping what Trump had done, and that would not be good! Because Orange Man Bad, and Biden Man Good.
Now, by pushing it back Biden gave propaganda fodder to the Taliban: hey look! the US didn't not honored the agreement, they violated their promises, they can't be trusted. (on top of which you can also add the pile of resentment the population may have had against a foreign power waging war in their country for two decades, with all the subsequent damage that goes with it in term of casualties).

Not all of them are Taliban though, a substantial number of them may very well be tribal warlords seizing the opportunity.

So, "take a gun, come and fight with us, let us overthrow an illegitimate government (because it refused to stand up to the US)".
Which was a big mistake from the Afghan government by the way, refusing to assert their sovereignty over a foreign entity is quite the sign of weakness.

Now, the Taliban would have been more than likely to rock the boat despite signing the deal anyway. But it wouldn't have been our fault, because they wouldn't have been able to use the withdrawal as propaganda since they had signed on to it.

Biden refusing to take responsibility is callous.

Now the leftoids are claiming "we need to take in the refugees". No. The US should have left on May 1rst, Biden f*cked it up.


Now, in the end, is it surprising? No.
The Taliban were growing in power anyway and somehow getting more legitimacy as a governing entity. They were invited to peace talks, negotiations, etc... and not just as spectators but as actors.
Was it to be expected they would regain power? Very reasonably yes. At least in the realm of possibilities that was a very strong one.


The US stayed there for two decades, spending US$2T, suffering more than 2,500 military casualties, accomplishing absolutely nothing.
The US had the small opportunity to leave, nice and clean, and say "well it's not really a win, it's more like a stalemate, but at least it's not another Vietnam". Because of Biden it is not even another Vietnam. It is far worse than that. It could also be likened to a katrina moment, but far worse.
The response is so surreal and so bad it is not even on the level of Biden's usual incompetence. This is his response:

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"I'll address it in the coming few days".
Trillions spent, hundred of thousand deaths, 20 years war. Nah... I'll talk about it later. Great leadership.

This is an unmitigated disaster from an absentee administration. Biden does not talk about it, the VP does not talk about it, Psaki does not answer questions, any Biden admin do not answer questions, even the Dems are not even addressing the situation.

And the Biden lovers, leftoids, echo chamber are deflecting the issue on Trump like a bunch of morons. This is pathetic blame shifting.
This did not happen under Trump's watch. This happened under Biden's watch. And Biden f*cked it up. He utterly failed to protect US citizens, and now foreign citizens as well, from that situation.

What a joke!


Not only has Biden allowed the US to be portrayed as a deal breaker who can't be trusted, a nation that allowed Afghanistan to fall, a nation that went through another Saigon debacle, but it, more importantly, gave the Taliban the ability to declare the war is over.
The freaking Taliban are the one who stated The war in Afghanistan is Over.

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Biden can't even capitalize on saying "mission accomplished" anymore.
They have failed in the execution of their own plan.


Meanwhile to deal with the situation you have Apache used as crowd control.

Just look at all the videos of the chaos at Kabul airport. That S**t is straight out of a disaster movie:

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Oh yeah, great leadership, competence. Biden, a president who cares and who is compassionate.
 
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Too much BS passing as "thoughtful critical analysis" to unpack here. You are basically stating what as been obvious and already said for years by those who are actually competent to discuss the subject. How cute, you have a handful of crumbs.

But yeah, it's sad. Oh, look at the people falling from planes because they tried to get in.

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So sad, but that life. Oh well.
 
"Yeaaaaah! We did it Joe! We are finally going to have our first female POC president! We did it for equality and civersity!"

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On a lighter note, it is funny how the way the Taliban are placed make it look like a recreation of The Last Supper.
 
A few days?!? What are they waiting for??? A brief period of cognitive behavior?

Probably looking for Joe.

Anyway...

Biden is on a 2 weeks vacation, and stated months ago he would not take responsibility for anything going wrong. It's Trump's fault anyway.
Psaki said the Taliban had to assess what role they would play in the International Community. She also is on vacation.
Blinken and Canadian Garneau congratulated themselves on how they "reached diplomatic solutions in Afghanistan" (in other words: we had a nice zoom session during which we talked a lot about stuff, we enjoyed a lot hearing ourselves talk).
And some spokeperson for some department I can't remember right now said the US would keep its embassy in Afghanistan (though it got evacuated a few hours later).

And Robert Gates stated Joe Biden was failure when it comes to foreign policy, underlining Biden had been wrong on everything for the past 40 years.
And Obama also warned people to not underestimate Joe's ability to "f*ck everything up".


But eh! No more mean tweets from pro-Putin drumpfity Orange Man Bad.


FFS... to think all this took place within his very first year as POTUS...

Not even one year passed by and Biden and his administration managed to send back Afghanistan 20 years back, America's economy 50 years back and America's racial relations a century back.
 
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Oh and Biden gave China a new friend.

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Well played Joe, well played.

Now let's have Telmar and Mordoror tell us about "how to conduct proper foreign policy" and "how Biden's actions will not lead to a complete and utter collapse of the region".
 
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Great leadership.
 
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