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[Ivan le Fou]

France has an average of 11,6 ICU beds per 100k?

That's not mu... I mean, Oh wow! That's like, so great and awesome! Like tots dupper well prepared!!

 

[bfc1001]

@Gaz & @downsizer

I "consult" the Daily Mail for the opinion of the right; the Guardian to see what the left is thinking; and I occasionally watch Sky News for the (relative) centre. Centrist outlets are kinda hard to come by these days…

…well, not only "these days".

Sky news ? I would not even bother .

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Kudos to the top message in the comments section . Nailed it .

 

[primer]

We have nearly a 1000 positives and only one death, one in ICU. I'm hoping we can get directly out of lock down and not back to jail. Only chink in the armor is a chain of asymptomatics.

Trump won't close down regional air travel. Too hard on the airlines. Airlines are great but they operate at small margins and really they have been the biggest spreader of this one in the history of mankind and should be treated differently. They definitely need some pandemic insurance and able to be closed down asap when needed instead of letting them go. They are no less than that aforementioned idiot Indian knowingly a vector for spreading it.

 

[muck]

France has an average of 11,6 ICU beds per 100k?

That's not mu... I mean, Oh wow! That's like, so great and awesome! Like tots dupper well prepared!!

As @Mordoror suggested, the number of ICU beds also seems to be a matter of procedures and national medical guidelines. For instance, one of the reasons for Germany having so many critical care beds is that newly-operated patients are regularly transferred to the ICU ward for a few days as a measure of precaution. I'm sure medical professionals elsewhere could deem that unnecessary and be perfectly justified in their assessment.

The fact is that none of our health systems was prepared to deal with a pandemic.

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It truly seems to me it's the only relevant figure at this point. Callous though it may sound, we need a positive trend right now; how many people die on any given day or are tested positive is not very relevant in the grand scheme of things.

Again, I'll use the data of the ECDC. The information feed is slower there but at least it's not mixed with unconfirmed press reports and so forth.

Doubling time
Up to date for 2 April 08:00, for the 30 most-affected territories ordered by number of confirmed cases

Name	Total confirmed cases	Doubled in	Total confirmed deaths	Doubled in
World​	928,437​	8 days​	46,891​	7 days​
United States​	216,721​	5 days​	5,183​	3 days​
Italy​	110,574​	11 days​	13,157​	9 days​
Spain​	102,136​	7 days​	9,503​	6 days​
China​	82,395​	52 days​	3,316​	47 days​
Germany​	73,522​	7 days​	872​	4 days​
France​	56989​	7 days​	4,032​	5 days​
Iran​	47,539​	9 days​	3,036​	12 days​
United Kingdom​	29,474​	5 days​	2,532​	3 days​
Switzerland​	17,070​	9 days​	378​	6 days​
Turkey​	15,679​	4 days​	277​	3 days​
Belgium​	13,964​	6 days​	828​	4 days​
Netherlands​	13,614​	7 days​	1,173​	5 days​
Austria​	10,711​	8 days​	146​	4 days​
South Korea​	9,976​	30 days​	169​	16 days​
Canada​	9,595​	5 days​	109​	5 days​
Portugal​	8,251​	6 days​	187​	5 days​
Brazil​	6,836​	5 days​	241​	4 days​
Israel​	5,591​	6 days​	21​	5 days​
Australia​	4,976​	8 days​	21​	8 days​
Sweden​	4,947​	8 days​	239​	3 days​
Norway​	4,665​	10 days​	32​	5 days​
Czechia​	3,589​	7 days​	39​	3 days​
Ireland​	3,447​	7 days​	85​	4 days​
Denmark​	3,107​	9 days​	104​	5 days​
Chile​	3,031​	6 days​	16​	2 days​
Malaysia​	2,908​	10 days​	45​	7 days​
Russia​	2,777​	4 days​	24​	2 days​
Ecuador​	2,758​	7 days​	146​	2 days​
Poland​	2,554​	6 days​	43​	4 days​
Romania​	2,460​	6 days​	85​	3 days​

At this point I wonder about Iran's figures more than about China's. They've been suffering from a catastrophic lack of medical equipment due to the sanctions against the country's economy, and according to what we've heard religious fundamentalists refusing to be confined to their homes aided the virus's spread considerably. Even taking into consideration the greater mobility of the average Italian, Spaniard or American, it's difficult to imagine the Iranians would cope so much better.

 

[Telmar]

Numbers in France
+ 2216 new positive cases (+4611 cases yesterday, +7578 two days ago)
+ 471 death
For a total of 4503 death (83% aged of more than 70 y)
6399 person in ICU with the following distribution : 30 persons aged of 30y and less, 60% aged between 60 and 70y, 35% over 70y

To be added 884 death in Elerdly houses over the past 2 weeks with 14 638 possible or probable positive cases (but these numbers will change, only 70% of the structures have answered)

What is good : new confirmed infections are decreasing for 2 days now
What is bad : the elderly houses are probably the next death nexuses if the 14 K cases are confirmed

Yes the new cases seem to be on the decrease, notably in the East. Casualties are cases contracted earlier. I follow some doctors on Twitter and they seem to confirm they get less calls. Praying for a significant improvement by Easter.

 

[muck]

The US reports the highest daily death toll recorded so far, with 1169 patients passing away over the past 24 hours. ?

 

[Connaught Ranger]

Coronavirus Death Toll Up To 114 In Romania. 278 New Cases, 2,738 Overall
https://www.romaniajournal.ro/socie...to-114-in-romania-278-new-cases-2738-overall/

The “Red Zones” List Updated, Romanians Returning From 12 Countries To Be Automatically Quarantined
https://www.romaniajournal.ro/socie...12-countries-to-be-automatically-quarantined/


UPDATE as of 20:18 03.04.2020 Romanian Death Toll Up To 122

 

[Telmar]

For the references, i'd rather go about this movie

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or this TV series( older and less realistic ..... beware CW context included ....)

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At least in the last one, be happy, the RN has still a SSN sailing

Watched "virus". Not very good but the panic scènes at the out break are impressive.

 

[Telmar]

Yeah, it's too bad....He's really a voice of reason. He can't win. If he argues with Trump or gets too negative the far right hates him, if he says anything positive about Trump then he's a rogue who got things all wrong. He's actually been incredibly supportive of Trump and what the Administration has had to deal with and the steps they've taken, fully recognizing the failures of things like our testing system early on.

Interesting how these events bring out the best or the worst in people. In France some nurses get messages on their Doors requesting they move, some get their shopping done for them. Some people just can't stop being critical of everything and some are trying to do the small part they can.

In short, some people you want to hug, some you'd like to send to the firing squad.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

Yesterday our PM got heard in front of National Assembly.

"But are we really sure Germany is doing these 500k tests a week?"

So, so far, our government insulted China (they are underdeveloped), Italy (they suck anyway), the US (bruh el presidente is a racist anyway) and now are calling the Germans liars.

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[Fluff]

Interesting how these events bring out the best or the worst in people. In France some nurses get messages on their Doors requesting they move, some get their shopping done for them. Some people just can't stop being critical of everything and some are trying to do the small part they can.

In short, some people you want to hug, some you'd like to send to the firing squad.

There are idiots everywhere. How these people got through school without absorbing at least a tiny amount of education is beyond me. To have the time to write a note, but not to do a little 'research' is bizarre. Honestly I hope the herd comes out better from this, maybe we need to lose a few from their own stupidity, just painful that its hitting the older harder.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

The number of ICU beds also seems to be a matter of procedures and national medical guidelines. For instance, one of the reasons for Germany having so many critical care beds is that newly-operated patients are regularly transferred to the ICU ward for a few days as a measure of precaution. I'm sure medical professionals elsewhere could deem that unnecessary and be perfectly justified in their assessment.

The fact is that none of our health systems was prepared to deal with a pandemic.
It truly seems to me it's the only relevant figure at this point. Callous though it may sound, we need a positive trend right now; how many people die on any given day or are tested positive is not very relevant in the grand scheme of things.

Well, everybody knows that.
But it is not limited to strictly medical procedures and guidelines. Let us not forget that political decisions, and economical decisions (be them related to the previously mentioned political mentioned or not), are also responsible.
The huge cuts operated in French hospitals in term of beds (both private and public sector) were not decided on a whim by the administration of these institutions. France got slashed years after years, and years after years doctors, nurses and all the medical staff warned the government of the danger represented these measures: putting everybody at risk.

For a hospital to switch to the "ambulatory system" is one thing (though some interventions are perfectly fine and do not call for the patient to stay at the hospital). But in France it has not been done out of pure "nah, we are so good and awesome, everybody can leave as soon as they have been stitched up".

Same goes for the masks. The fact that France ditched its strategic stockpile has not been done out of "procedures and national medical guidelines", but political choices; aka: it costs too much.
The factories making these masks have not been closed for these same "procedures and national medical guidelines", but political choices; aka: it costs too much.
Same goes for the sanityzing gel.
And same goes for the tests!


None of our health systems were prepared for that, you are right. Not even in term of the bare minimum.
Thing is: France assured and repeated ad nauseam it was ready. France repeated everything was under control and that the whole alarmism was absolutely unwarranted; propagated by low IQ individuals who don't know sh*t anyway and shut up I'm a doctor.


So what does the government does? Trying to mitigate its dumblef*cks, that keep on dumblef*cking on and on and on, by saying "yeah but there are some other countries that are worse than us anyway". Enjoying mediocrity and raising it as a quality standard.

Remaining united as a country is crucial, but this kind of behavior from our government could be summed up as "maintain national unity by denigrating all the other countries (the EU)".

But that's just me being a fake French...

 

[NZM305]

The only thing I've heard is that Sweden's ramping up its quarantining efforts now. The virus has reached a number of retirement homes and they're understandably worried.

Quite frankly, Sweden's initial restraint might've been born out of necessity. For some bizarre reason – which I'm yet to comprehend –, they have an only minuscule number of ICU beds.

Country	Critical care beds per 100,000 inhabitants
United States of America	34.7
Germany	29.2
Taiwan	28.5
Luxembourg	24.8
European Union recommendation	22.5
Austria	21.8
Romania	21.4
Saudi Arabia	21.3
Belgium	15.9
Lithuania	15.5
Croatia	14.7
Estonia	14.6
Oman	14.6
Hungary	13.8
Canada	12.9
Italy	12.5
Bulgaria	12.2
Turkey	12.0
Czechia	11.6
France	11.6
European Union average	11.5
Cyprus	11.4
Singapore	11.4
Switzerland	11.0
South Korea	10.6
Thailand	10.4
WHO recommendation	10.0
Latvia	9.7
Spain	9.7
Slovakia	9.2
Iceland	9.1
Mongolia	8.8
Norway	8.0
Japan	7.3
Hongkong	7.1
Poland	6.9
Denmark	6.7
Great Britain	6.6
Ireland	6.5
Netherlands	6.4
Slovenia	6.4
Finland	6.1
Greece	6.0
Sweden	5.8
Iran	4.6
Portugal	4.2
China (without Hongkong)	3.6
Malaysia	3.4
India	2.3
Philippines	2.2

Notes

• Critical cases of Covid-19 require 11-14 days of ventillation support on average. It's almost as though this disease was designed to overwhelm a country's health system.
• These numbers are only supposed to provide an overview; some are several years old (~2015) and must be considered outdated. Additionaly, efforts have been underway in many countries to increase the number of available ICU beds. For example, as of March 30 Germany has raised its capacities to 33 beds / 100,000. If anyone knows more up-to-date figures, feel free to add them to the list.

Nz sits way down the bottom near china with about 3.6 beds per 100,000

 

[Ivan le Fou]

Considering the tests in France:

EXCLUSIF. Comment la France se prive de 150 000 à 300 000 tests par semaine

VIDÉO. Depuis le 13 mars, le gouvernement dispose d'une solution pour augmenter considérablement les capacités de tests de la France. Mais rien n'a bougé.

www.lepoint.fr

150k to 300k more tests could be done. But will not. Because bureaucracy, because self-imposed normative constraints. Things that do not bother countries like Belgium, Germany, Spain and other European countries though. But we are so much better than them anyway, right?
Italy sucks, Germany lies and who cares about the Spaniards!

 

[Mordoror]

As @Mordoror suggested, the number of ICU beds also seems to be a matter of procedures and national medical guidelines. For instance, one of the reasons for Germany having so many critical care beds is that newly-operated patients are regularly transferred to the ICU ward for a few days as a measure of precaution. I'm sure medical professionals elsewhere could deem that unnecessary and be perfectly justified in their assessment.

@muck
Pffffff
What the usual whiney lowlife author of the post you answered didn't checked is also that our ICU beds have been increased by by a large margin in the past 10 days by creating two lines one none COVID ICU (greatly reduced) and one COVID ICU by converting a maximum of rest/recovery/post surgery bed in reanimation ones
Increase in most hospitals ave gone to +50%, sometimes more
A few examples : Soisson 8 to 12 bed. Could go up to 15
Carcasonne 6 to 10 beds. Could go up to 12
Montpellier : 100 to 150 beds. Expected to be possible to go up to 200 beds

Issue is not the overall numbers of beds so far when you look the outbreak. Issue is the distribution of infected that is not equal on all the territory. Some very large clusters (Grand East, Paris-Ile de France) have the most important number of cases and are reaching saturation.
That's why there is a need to move the patients that can be moved

 

[riderboy]

The animals are reclaiming the streets.....It's clear now, the bats and pangolins led the way, now comes the main offensive.

 

[riderboy]

MSNBC can't be far behind. I've watched some the coverage....just bloody awful...

Sucking CNN: Anti-Trump Network Fails to Get One Show to Crack Top 20 in First Quarter Ratings

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattv...one-show-to-crack-top-20-in-first-qu-n2566268

 

[Ivan le Fou]

Didier Lallement, Paris police prefect, declared that "those who are today finding themselves hospitalized and in ICUs are those who did not respect confinement, there is a clear correlation between the two".

In other words: they deserved it, serve them well.

But then went back on it to say "no that's not what I meant".

Mediocrity and amateurism.

 

[muck]

Didier Lallement, Paris police prefect, declared that "those who are today finding themselves hospitalized and in ICUs are those who did not respect confinement, there is a clear correlation between the two".

In other words: they deserved it, serve them well.

But then went back on it to say "no that's not what I meant".

Mediocrity and amateurism.

Quite frankly, he's probably more right than wrong. There's a clear correlation between curfew violations and case ratios: Mardi Gras in New Orleans, the spring breakers from Bondi Beach… the examples are legion, but also far from being merely anecdotal.

For instance, Friday the 20th of March was a warm, sunny day here in Southern Germany; many people were fined for flouting the curfew; and lo and behold, beginning with the 26th the infection rate went up again – right after one period of incubation had passed.

Personally, I'd have everyone flouting the restrictions sign a waiver that if push came to shove, they'd yield their respirator to someone who did abide by the rules of the game…

Nz sits way down the bottom near china with about 3.6 beds per 100,000

Updated.

 

[1645556315]

Russia, situation on 03 april.
4149 total cases (601 new), 34 dead (4 new), 281 recovered (46 new).

Yesterday national non-working week prolonged till the end of April.
Today Russian aid (medical supply and equipment) was sent by cargo planes to Serbia.