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[morris]

The point is China is sending out hundreds of thousands of items that are defective, they are not donating them for free, either for cash or currying favors post COVID-19 Pandemic when they want to trade world wide.

Horror of horrors, commies behave like capitalists.

 

[Fluff]

You´ve got to love weekends spent modelling those garden bushes destroyed in an instant by these little devils.

Don't worry, its Llandudno, its a retirement town, the most excitement they have ever had was when the Luftwaffe came over, - once - in 5 years. Plenty of time to sort those bushes.

 

[muck]

We were all sandbagged by the Commies....

CDC Director Reacts to Resurfaced Tape of Fauci Downplaying Virus Threat

https://radio.foxnews.com/2020/03/2...of-dr-anthony-fauci-downplaying-virus-threat/

Truth be told, I'm not sure we were. I mean, they might've attempted a cover-up, but it's not like our scientists were banned from arriving at their own conclusions, were they? We've known the real Sars-CoV-2 since the first week of January. We've known the so-called spikes on the virus hull are comparable in form and function to those on Sars-CoV-1, rendering human-to-human transmissions expectable.

I'm more inclined to believe the experts based on their knowledge at that point expected a resurgence of the SARS already known, which wasn't prone to cause a real pandemic. Unfortunately, a scientist may precede each statement of his with the words "at this point in time", but journalists and politicians won't ever pay attention to that little detail.

They hear what they want to hear, and as long as they get to hear what they want to hear, "their" scientists are omniscient demigods to them. What business is it of them if newly-made discoveries require an updated risk assessment?

 

[berkut76]

Horror of horrors, commies behave like capitalists.

“The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them.”

 

[Mordoror]

Personally, these frustrating events make me more angry at the Chinese than at the American authorities. The Americans do what their people is entitled to expect from them (further their interests at all costs), but giving what you've described, the Chinese are abusing their quasi-monopoly for sheer profit right now. They should make deliveres on a first come, first served basis.

That's true. However, that nobody here speaks a bit more about friendship and kumbaya.
Realpolitik is understandable
Wrapping it under a shiny gifrt paper ala "best friends forever, i ll be there for you and you for me.... and such" is just hypocrisy

 

[Fluff]

“The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them.”

Best leave production in China, then, so we get an extra 4 weeks of life....

 

[Mordoror]

Hold up a minute, context is everything. The fact of the matter is surgical masks don't protect you from contracting anything. They're designed to protect others from being directly exposed to the contents of the wearer's mouth, if you will.

In that function – if everyone wore one – they could make a small contribution to the lowering of the secondary infection rate. But they're compromised in that regard by the average wearer's behaviour, who erroneously trusts in being protected by the mask, disregards social distancing rules and oftentimes doesn't even wear the mask correctly.

You'd have to go through several masks a day if you were to do it right, for instance. Wearing a mask while outside is likewise not necessary.

Considering all the cons and the waste of resources due to popular ignorance, it's safe to say the masks are more urgently needed elsewhere. Doctor's receptionists, pharmacists, caretakers in retirement homes – they require those masks way more than the general public now.

The same is true for higher rated protective equipment (>FFP2). Us ordinary folks have no business sitting on those things.

No "expert" that I've ever watched being interviewed has said otherwise. It's just the media being desparate to create drama and find contradictions where there are none (journalists have never understood the meaning of 'scientific consensus'). Sadly, no one buys a newspaper that's titled 'We'll be fine'.

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Oh, speaking of FFP2 masks… I actually got sent one by my health insurance provider. Like out of nowhere, really. Apparently, they'd looked at my patient record and deemed me a member of a risk group – I don't even know why. I'll donate it to the hospital tomorrow; it's on my way to work anyway.

I made a quick calculation that speaks by itself. Everybody can do that for its own country
If you want to be efficient, it is like you said 1 mask/person
Minimum 2 mask/day
For France alone that would make 1 billion 800 million of masks for 14 days.
Logisticaly impossible
Austria authorities gave that orderinh, masks to be supplied by stores and pharmacies which answered, well, sorry but cant
And Austria is 8 million inhabitants

 

[Musashi]

No sh1t, Sherlock!:

China Concealed Extent of Virus Outbreak, U.S. Intelligence Says

China has concealed the extent of the coronavirus outbreak in its country, under-reporting both total cases and deaths it’s suffered from the disease, the U.S. intelligence community concluded in a classified report to the White House, according to three U.S. officials.

www.bloomberg.com

 

[Mordoror]

Maybe also because Asians wear masks all the time, it´s a big market and you manufacture near where you sell. Not saying it´s only that but I think it counts too.

You know what?
Aside Japan (2018 consumption was 4 billion masks sold for private use, so 35 masks/person/year) and possibly SK (i didnt founf the numbers) the others are not using them so much
China 550 million masks used in 2016
1/2 person/y
Thailand same level of use

 

[Chazman]

No sh1t, Sherlock!:

China Concealed Extent of Virus Outbreak, U.S. Intelligence Says

China has concealed the extent of the coronavirus outbreak in its country, under-reporting both total cases and deaths it’s suffered from the disease, the U.S. intelligence community concluded in a classified report to the White House, according to three U.S. officials.

www.bloomberg.com

And the Chicom's lapdog, the WHO was telling us it's not transferrable from human to human as late as late Jan.

 

[Fluff]

You know what?
Aside Japan (2018 consumption was 4 billion masks sold for private use, so 35 masks/person/year) and possibly SK (i didnt founf the numbers) the others are not using them so much
China 550 million masks used in 2016
1/2 person/y
Thailand same level of use

who knows, after this maybe everyone must have a pack of 10 per person, in their own cupboard. Plus 4 rolls of toilet paper.

 

[morris]

No sh1t, Sherlock!:

China Concealed Extent of Virus Outbreak, U.S. Intelligence Says

China has concealed the extent of the coronavirus outbreak in its country, under-reporting both total cases and deaths it’s suffered from the disease, the U.S. intelligence community concluded in a classified report to the White House, according to three U.S. officials.

www.bloomberg.com

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[Telmar]

I made a quick calculation that speaks by itself. Everybody can do that for its own country
If you want to be efficient, it is like you said 1 mask/person
Minimum 2 mask/day
For France alone that would make 1 billion 800 million of masks for 14 days.
Logisticaly impossible
Austria authorities gave that orderinh, masks to be supplied by stores and pharmacies which answered, well, sorry but cant
And Austria is 8 million inhabitants

For what it´s worth, we use in Slovakia masks out of cotton, washable, reusable. 7,5 EUR at the pharmacy. Some people add paper to make it more efficient.

It´s essentially to protect others from you that we wear them. It´s not 100% but if you go on renewable for the larger population, it can function. It´s better than not wearing anything, and all we want is for the curve to be as flat as possible.

Professionals need the "ood" stuff of course.

 

[muck]

And the Chicom's lapdog, the WHO was telling us it's not transferrable from human to human as late as late Jan.

No, they didn't. They did say they'd been told that by the Chinese; let's not make the WHO a scapegoat here, or you might as well make all governments (including yours) one as well.

We need to understand that the image of scientists conveyed by the press is false. A real scientist doesn't make assumptions. They give their opinion based on the data situation. If the data situation changes, the scientific consensus will change.

 

[Gordus]

This is the reason why the inquisition was created...

It will be a thing again in 30.000 years.

 

[riderboy]

No, they didn't. They did say they'd been told that by the Chinese; let's not make the WHO a scapegoat here, or you might as well make all governments (including yours) one as well.

We need to understand that the image of scientists conveyed by the press is false. A real scientist doesn't make assumptions. They give their opinion based on the data situation. If the data situation changes, the scientific consensus will change.

According to Dr Birx, they were missing “significant amounts of data” from the Chinese upon which to base their decisions. So not cool.. Even so, 5 days after Fauci called the risk to the US ‘low’ Trump instituted his China travel ban and quarantine - to the ridicule and name calling of Dems, Biden calling him an “hysterical xenophobe”.

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/...xtent-of-virus-outbreak-u-s-intelligence-says

 

[Ivan le Fou]

No, they didn't. They did say they'd been told that by the Chinese; let's not make the WHO a scapegoat here, or you might as well make all governments (including yours) one as well.

We need to understand that the image of scientists conveyed by the press is false. A real scientist doesn't make assumptions. They give their opinion based on the data situation. If the data situation changes, the scientific consensus will change.

China withheld crucial information, and WHO repeated what China said without Checking.
They hold responsibility.

But, as you said, all governments do as well. That being to some extent.
For instance there is a huge difference between:
1-the way the US dealt with the situation, with Trump going against the data provided, but still in accordance to what was happening in Italy. That for the sake of being prudent I would guess.
2-the way Germany dealt with the situation, with Merkel closing the borders, as a form of reaction based on what was happening in Italy.
3-the way France dealt with the situation, with Macron refusing the close the borders (calling it a move motivated by "nationalism") and his whole government claiming over and over again they were ready, prepared, and the risks were so low elections could still take place.

In other words, there are governments that acted despite the data (US) and some that based their actions on the data a reacted emotionally to what was happening outside.

 

[muck]

@riderboy Well, what else did you expect from the left? Their dream of a world without borders is no secret at this point.

 

[morris]

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[Ivan le Fou]

Oh well! There it is! Russian collusion!


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