Politics The UK general election - 12 Dec 2019

Mike1976 · Dec 13, 2019

riderboy said:
I saw that. Chanting"Not my Prime Minister"!! Hahaha!! Idiots.

Marxists denying the results of the democratic process is the same the world over.

Musashi · Dec 14, 2019

Musashi said:
Let’s cover the most Third Worldish constituencies in al-Londonistan.
Poplar and Limehouse:

Poplar & Limehouse parliamentary constituency - Election 2019

See the candidates and latest news in your constituency

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Bethnal Green and Bow:

Bethnal Green & Bow parliamentary constituency - Election 2019

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Plus the ones famous for 75% of acid attacks happening in the country on top of that.
East Ham:

East Ham parliamentary constituency - Election 2019

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West Ham:

West Ham parliamentary constituency - Election 2019

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These people love ol Jerry, as diversity is our strength.

BCNTM said:
Liebour imported all of them

The by-product of Brexit is, there will be more of them coming to the UK.
With wages in EE/CE getting higher, there will be fewer of us coming to the UK in the future.
The vacuum will need to be filled by someone, so take a wild guess about who will be coming in bigger numbers.
It does not any matter which government will let them in, they will be voting for Labour.

The Labour government let me in as well and I'm grateful for that, but as a person who grew up in a commie country, I know that communism does not work. Some people did not have a chance to experience it, so they will not understand it without learning it in a hard way. 45 years of that shyte in Poland was far too much.

Apart from that, when I see Labour's voters, I just don't want to vote for that party. There are some fantastic people, let me mention Mr Speaker, but their voters from London totally put me off. I don't want to have anything to do with them.

I clearly remember the crisis in 2009 when we had to take THREE industrial actions to get a pay rise far below the inflation level. In the meantime, the Labour government increased social handouts by 0.5% above the inflation level, saying anything lower would have been "inhumane".

At that time, I was working all overtime available, often 7 days a week, 12 hours a day in order to save some money for my studies and to pay for a house deposit. Saving £20,000 in two years was a big achievement for a guy with a shitty job and a small wage.

I got through the S**t and everything is much better now. I'm more than extremely far from being rich, but I hate people who get money for free.
I even decided to sacrifice my salary and started doing something more professional, that I'd be proud of, instead of doing something less professional and earning £8000 more a year.

I feel much relaxed and proud of what I do, people appreciate it and I love it. I don't need to buy the fourth property or do the third university degree in the foreseeable future.

Musashi · Dec 14, 2019

Jake84 said:
The northern region of England with cities like Liverpool, Sheffield, Manchester, many of which were traditionally voting for the Labor turned Conservatives.

I see an analogy with America there. The “blue collar” no longer vote for leftists but conservatives who care more about them. Democrats in the US appeal to ethnic minorities and other LGBT minorities.

It's far more complicated than you think.
BoJo was right about thanking some people for voting for him despite Tories not being their "natural" choice.
The keyword is "Brexit" and that's why many blue collar workers voted for the Tories. They just wanted to get the shyte done.
Normally, they would have voted for the Brexit Party, as you could have seen in the last Europarliament elections.
BoJo has done his homework, analysing what happened in May and why it has happened. After all, he is not a stupid guy, contrary to what some people believe. He introduced SMERSH-like countermeasures in his own party and has drawn the only logical conclusions from the Europarliament elections. Nige helped him as well by withdrawing a big portion of the Brexit Party's candidates.

Unlike him, Corbyn has not drawn any conlusions from the last EP elections. I don't know where he takes his advisors from, but they should have been sacked a long time ago.

Once blue collar workers realised BoJo got extremely serious about the Brexit, they did not want to water their votes down, supporting the BP, and decided to vote for the Tories ONCE in their life. I easily know twenty of them in person who have never voted for the Tories and they will never do it again after Brexit is sorted. Many of them are Union representatives and leftists to the brim, but they could not stand the Labour taking the piss out of the Brexit. That's the only reason for giving someone a chance to get the shyte sorted.

In 80% of cases, their natural choice was the Labour and they would tell you they are not rich enough to vote for the Tories.
In Europarliament elections, they voted for the UKIP or the Brexit Party. Absolutely no chance for the Tories here.
Once the Brexit is done, they will vote for the Labour in the next GE again.

Another thing is, they don't like Muslims. They cannot be open about it, as they would lose their jobs. Once they trust you a bit, they just stop hiding it. Neither do low-ranked British soldiers, either active or the ones who used to be British soldiers. The difference is, unlike blue collar workers, soldiers are quite open about it and don't try to hide it. They simply don't give a shyte. The low-ranked ones love Brexit as well. After finishing their service/contracts, some of them struggle with finding jobs due to the large immigration.

So, the big share of Labour's voters are Muslims and blue collar workers know about it. It puts them off.

I used to work with them for 9.5 years, so I know their motives and their rationale. It's different than in the U.S.A., as a large part of them will switch back to their natural voting habits once Brexit is done.

Jake84 · Dec 14, 2019

Insightful post here, thanks.

Musashi · Dec 14, 2019

Jake84 said:
Insightful post here, thanks.

Thanks. I just don't understand such people like Corbyn.
I've just googled him and Google says:

Has Jeremy Corbyn got a degree?
Corbyn worked as a reporter for a short time for local newspaper, the Newport and Market Drayton Advertiser. He went to the University of North London for a year before dropping out without an educational degree.

Maybe that's the problem. He should have inherited some analytical skills after his mother who was a Maths teacher, but it seems not to be the case.

He reminds me of a Third World dictator who believes people love him and his policies. His aides know the truth, but are scared of telling it to him, as they are afraid of being punished for that. It assures him of how great he is and that he does the right thing.

His party loses the election in 2010 and its leader steps down. It happens again in 2015 and another leader steps down. You don't need to like such leaders, but they have cojones and they know a change is needed. Corbyn is so much different.

Jerry becomes the leader. The EU referendum does not turn into his favour and he loses another election in 2017. He does NOT want to step down, even if he should have. He's convinced his policies are cool and he can win in the future. His stance towards the Brexit reminds of a man who wants to eat a cake and keep it at the same time. The EP elections don't teach him a lesson. He does not analyse graphs or he does not believe them. He simply knows better. Even Nige trolls him on the radio every day, giving him a lot of hints about Labour's voters in the Midlands switching to the Brexit Party. He ignores Nige, though, as he cannot get it or does not want to get it.

At that time, a sultan-style coup should have happened in his own party in order to get the shyte together.

Instead, he behaves like Adi, leaning over the map and saying "Alles in Ordnung". His minions warn him about the things not going well, but he ignores their warnings. He becomes even more radical and pushes for more policies that are out of touch with reality. He alienates white British people and is extremely open about it. He cannot get over to the fact that they are STILL a majority of his voters.
No self-respecting white person should have voted for the cvnt after that:

Jeremy Corbyn faces race row over rally ticket prices

The dispute erupted over a decision by Labour chiefs to charge black and ethnic minority activists £10 less per ticket than white activists to attend a rally next month in Loughborough.

www.dailymail.co.uk

To his shocking surprise, he loses the election and decides to quit.

BCNTM · Dec 14, 2019

TIZER said:
name me one country out of the 62 that have left the UK which want's to get back with the UK just 1 .... i think your in for a massive shock when we do leave the Uk and the vote will be held between July 2020 and october 2020 so technically we will not have left the EU and our criteria will match the EU's by 100% England can't heat itself, generate enough Electricity or extract enough oil without Scotland it's a power deficient basket case North sea generates £350 million per day in revenues for the UK that is £250 million shy of £128 billion and without Scottish Whisky England will lose it's balance of payments for it's massive debt

SNP got 45% of the vote and 80% of the seats

So let's consider that 55% of the people did not want the SNP or any part of their 'independence' fantasy

They just need to stick to fixing the NHS in Scotland - Schools and a host of other things they have failed at

Also, Boris has already said no to a second referendum- unlucky (Y)

This is where the SNP get you - nowhere

About time Boris looked at the Barnett Formula and came up with something a bit more fair across the whole of the UK - you might have something to whinge about then

BCNTM · Dec 14, 2019

muck said:
Oi, did Dennis Skinner really lose his seat? Holy cow. Who's to heckle the Black Rod now?

His niece used to work for me - she was really nice. Sad thing is he did a lot for his constituents only to be let down by a party taken over by Momentum

BCNTM · Dec 14, 2019

Musashi said:
@TIZER
You better tell us which neighbour you impersonated:

Scottish referendum results: 10 counts of electoral fraud alleged in

Impersonation suspected as ballot papers taken to be fingerprinted

www.independent.co.uk

Who voted for the Monster Raving Loony Party? They got 9739 votes.

and they still only managed 45% of the vote - makes you wonder if they put the 'x' in the wrong box judging by the state of the school results...............????????

BCNTM · Dec 14, 2019

Musashi said:
Thanks. I just don't understand such people like Corbyn.
I've just googled him and Google says:

Maybe that's the problem. He should have inherited some analytical skills after his mother who was a Maths teacher, but it seems not to be the case.

He reminds me of a Third World dictator who believes people love him and his policies. His aides know the truth, but are scared of telling it to him, as they are afraid of being punished for that. It assures him of how great he is and that he does the right thing.

His party loses the election in 2010 and its leader steps down. It happens again in 2015 and another leader steps down. You don't need to like such leaders, but they have cojones and they know a change is needed. Corbyn is so much different.

Jerry becomes the leader. The EU referendum does not turn into his favour and he loses another election in 2017. He does NOT want to step down, even if he should have. He's convinced his policies are cool and he can win in the future. His stance towards the Brexit reminds of a man who wants to eat a cake and keep it at the same time. The EP elections don't teach him a lesson. He does not analyse graphs or he does not believe them. He simply knows better. Even Nige trolls him on the radio every day, giving him a lot of hints about Labour's voters in the Midlands switching to the Brexit Party. He ignores Nige, though, as he cannot get it or does not want to get it.

At that time, a sultan-style coup should have happened in his own party in order to get the shyte together.

Instead, he behaves like Adi, leaning over the map and saying "Alles in Ordnung". His minions warn him about the things not going well, but he ignores their warnings. He becomes even more radical and pushes for more policies that are out of touch with reality. He alienates white British people and is extremely open about it. He cannot get over to the fact that they are STILL a majority of his voters.
No self-respecting white person should have voted for the cvnt after that:

Jeremy Corbyn faces race row over rally ticket prices

The dispute erupted over a decision by Labour chiefs to charge black and ethnic minority activists £10 less per ticket than white activists to attend a rally next month in Loughborough.

www.dailymail.co.uk

To his shocking surprise, he loses the election and decides to quit.

his 3 sons think he is great and have come out in support of him - they allowed that to breed

Connaught Ranger · Dec 14, 2019

While blocking Corbyn is great, the British people are still in the hands of a buffoon, I was born in Nottingham, raised in Ireland from the age of 10,
my Mother was English, and I still think its going to be disastrous in the long term for the UK to be outside the E.U.
The BREXIT campaign was clearly pushed using pure propaganda and scare mongering tactics.

muck · Dec 14, 2019

@Mushashi

The left has long since stopped being the political representation of the workers. This fact has contributed to Corbyn's weird leadership style and, ultimately, his failure. He's an old-school hardcore ideologue who managed to attract younger generations simply through being "authentic" compared to sleek centrists á la Blair, though his roots couldn't be more different from theirs. These kids have never read Marx, after all.

Corbyn wished to please everybody, and when everybody realised he couldn't please them all at the same time, a vortex of unkeepable promises and avowals of neutrality popped up to drag him down and ensure he'd end up in the sewers of democracy. This process takes place everywhere these days. Britain's Labour, France's PS, Germany's SPD… they're all at odds with their former clientele as well as with each other.

Britain is densely populated, and residents of densely populated areas tend to vote left (their many mutual points of contact raising the demand for regulation). What's helped the Tories, though, is that many Brits live in large towns and small cities which lack the globalist metropolis-like character of, say, London or Birmingham. They're not entirely disconnected from their surroundings.

By the way, this is exactly why we're not going to observe a landslide defeat of America's Democrats anytime soon. The large coastal metropolitan areas foster their persistence. Germany's drifting off to the left for the very same reason: urbanisation.

Musashi · Dec 14, 2019

muck said:
What's helped the Tories, though, is that many Brits live in large towns and small cities which lack the globalist metropolis-like character of, say, London or Birmingham. They're not entirely disconnected from their surroundings.

Well, I live 20 miles from Birmingham, so the pattern is the least Third Worldish constituencies of Birmingham still voted for the Tories.

i.
The best example will be Sutton Coldfield where the Tories took 60.4% of votes, while the Labour took just 23.6%