Politics The EU is killing Europe

[Mike1976]

Baseball is a "black" sport?

Always assumed that was one of the most cosmopolite sport.

But I am not that interested in it anyway...

Depends on the country I guess. In the Netherlands it is.

 

[haze99]

You keep on posting the same stupidity, suggesting that the EU forces its members into taking people of other race.
Just look at random Polish sport team and you will hardly see any non-whites.
Are you implying that the EU forces its „diversity” policies on just some countries, while the other ones don’t need to obey these rules?

You are a racist, as several forum members have already pointed it out.

sigh.

 

[Mark Sman]

Depends on the country I guess. In the Netherlands it is.

Huh, ranked 7th in the world. Highest ranked European national team. Did not know.

https://www.wbsc.org/en/rankings

 

[Redav]

One can lead to another.

Same thing happens in society through passive acceptance. Slowly but surely what was the exception becomes the norm, and then the rule. Once it got accepted, you can more easily implement laws and legal framework to cement whatever you are trying to put in place.

The concept of influence applies to many fields and to many time frames.

It is social engineering, simple as that.


As for it being the law, well, yes, it is the law. But does one must abide by the law if it means certain death? (to put it in a mildly prosaic way)

The Nuremberg Laws were that...laws

 

[Ivan le Fou]

The Nuremberg Laws were that...laws

Surely laws can't be bad.

Right?

 

[Ivan le Fou]

Depends on the country I guess. In the Netherlands it is.

Well... at least it's not cricket.

Nothing to do with the players though, it's just a dumb sport.

 

[muck]

sigh.

You have no reason to complain about being called that when all you ever seem worried about is colour of skin. Most of your posts in this forum revolve around Europe not "looking" "white" any more.

Who gives a flying eff what people look like. What they do and what values they observe is what matters. I take issue with immigrants from certain countries because they disrespect their host societies, not because of what they look like.

If they abide by the law of the land, their skin colour could be purple or see-through for all I care.

By the way, Argentine is—as per their own stats—"only" 78% "white", according to Wikipedia.

 

[PEMM]

If you guys are so obsessed with the whiteness of your countries... start f***ing. Either that or just enjoy the different flavors. Think of it as the Baskin Robbins of poon. Unless, your obsession with the "whiteness" is a hidden racist innuendo, then I believe you have clubs for that there.

I'm concerned about loss of cultural aspects. Such as food, we hardly eat the same food as our forefathers, except when visiting grandparents. And I think plenty of people spent most of their time with English language entertainment (ironic for me to complain about this). So maybe in few generations we will be a large gray global blob, without much variation.

Meanwhile I don't see how people like my cousin with black biological dad, raised in the country, would be a problem. Even if they happened to play football...

 

[muck]

Ironically, we foster problems not just through misguided migration policies but also by the segregation we allow to happen. And I mean segregation that goes both ways.

Yesterday, I read a headline from Austria about a class in a Viennese elementary school where only 3 of 30 students speak German as their first language. It said one of the three has decided to learn Arabic because he couldn't find any friends.

That's 90% immigrants. In a city where "only" 40% of all children under 10 are born to immigrant families. Never mind the fact that 40% is much too high for a society to handle—who in their right mind thought a class with 90% immigrants was a good idea?

The Danes are doing it right. It's not enough to reduce migration, you also need to break up the ghettoes.

 

[downsizer]

Frankly I couldn't give a fvck the colour of the atheletes that represent my country. What kind of stupid metric is that? They've chosen to represent the nation they live in, good on them. All I really care about is winning. (same applies to club sport)

 

[Chazman]

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Well...I'm just catching up with this thread...and I want to say I 100%, wholeheartedly approve of Argentina's Women's Hockey Team. I see a lot of talent!!!

Regarding immigration, people will either assimilate or be allowed to conquer. Probably the latter if cultures are incompatible. The US has always been considered a melting pot. Immigrants come here and assimilated into Americans. First the English, then the Scotts, then the Irish, then the Chinese, then the Germans, then the Italians, Greeks, Swedes,, Polish, Indians, etc., etc.

When immigrants flood too quickly, they may not assimilate and then demand that the home culture changes to accommodate them. We are witnessing this in Western Europe and the US.

 

[muck]

Frankly I couldn't give a fvck the colour of the atheletes that represent my country. What kind of stupid metric is that? They've chosen to represent the nation they live in, good on them. All I really care about is winning. (same applies to club sport)

I'd agree, but with an asterisk. Especially in football it's also a marketing choice. If you get nominated for your national team, you can immediately add another zero to your salary. And many football pros do signal between the lines that they don't actually like playing for their country, as it often conflicts with their commercial career schedule. Which is why non-tournament matches hardly ever see the A team compete.

When immigrants flood too quickly, they may not assimilate and then demand that the home culture changes to accommodate them. We are witnessing this in Western Europe and the US.

I'd largely agree, though what I personally think is happening in Europe is not so much a demand to accommodate but indifference giving birth to parallel societies.

Having said that, this bit is interesting to me:

Regarding immigration, people will either assimilate or be allowed to conquer. Probably the latter if cultures are incompatible. The US has always been considered a melting pot. Immigrants come here and assimilated into Americans. First the English, then the Scotts, then the Irish, then the Chinese, then the Germans, then the Italians, Greeks, Swedes,, Polish, Indians, etc., etc.

In all honesty, I've never understood the "melting pot" epithet. The very existence of a "china town", a "little italy", a "little korea" etc. in almost every major US city seems to contradict that claim, at least to a degree. Also, from its very inception, the US has seen wave upon wave of resentment against migration motivated by a feeling of threatened identity. First the Irish, whose Catholicism was anathema to largely English-descended Americans, then there was a backlash against the Chinese, followed by a major backlash against the Germans (giving rise even to its political party) …

 

[downsizer]

LOL - Italian Americans are no more Italian in little Italy than plastic paddys are irish.

 

[Chazman]

Having said that, this bit is interesting to me:In all honesty, I've never understood the "melting pot" epithet. The very existence of a "china town", a "little italy", a "little korea" etc. in almost every major US city seems to contradict that claim, at least to a degree. Also, from its very inception, the US has seen wave upon wave of resentment against migration motivated by a feeling of threatened identity. First the Irish, whose Catholicism was anathema to largely English-descended Americans, then there was a backlash against the Chinese, followed by a major backlash against the Germans (giving rise even to its political party) …

I'll try to explain. The melting pot is real. I am the son of immigrants, the first American born in my family. My wife is the daughter of immigrants. I am proud of my heritage, but I am also 100% red, white and blue. You can have a Greek Town, China Town, etc., and still know who you are.

The English and Scotch resisted the Irish. Before you know it they were intermarrying. The Germans didn't come to the US and tell the Irish, you are infidels, we will enter your homes and convert you to Lutheranism while we rape your daughters. Everyone added to the melting pot. Everyone was just happy to be here and work, have opportunity, progress and raise a family. Greeks marrying Italians, Germans marrying Dutch.

Next thing you know, we're all Americans. And if you are first or second generation or so, you still keep your traditions from the "old country" alive.

It's a beautiful thing.

 

[Mark Sman]

Honestly I think the "melting pot" system really is that you can do anything you are capable of, but you are on your own. The government will not do anything (basically) for you.

So you can try to melt the pot, but pretty much the pot melts you with harsh reality. And out of the other side you get second and third generation that are pretty quickly just Americans.

People can hyphenate all they want, but you go live somewhere else for awhile and you realize that you are a Cheeto eating, supersized, monster-truck driving American pretty quick.

 

[thelistener]

Some people really need to go outside and touch grass. Are there problems? Yes.
But being constantly online and watching rage bait videos from accounts such as the "falling west" distorts your perspective.
I was in the west; western germany for the past week and it isn't the Islamabad 2.0 some of yall make it out to be.

 

[downsizer]

Some people really need to go outside and touch grass. Are there problems? Yes.
But being constantly online and watching rage bait videos from accounts such as the "falling west" distorts your perspective.
I was in the west; western germany for the past week and it isn't the Islamabad 2.0 some of yall make it out to be.

Quite I spent 5 days in Germany recently for work, including Berlin, and it wasn't bad at all.

 

[muck]

But being constantly online and watching rage bait videos from accounts such as the "falling west" distorts your perspective.

Absolutely.

I was in the west; western germany for the past week and it isn't the Islamabad 2.0 some of yall make it out to be.

Quite I spent 5 days in Germany recently for work, including Berlin, and it wasn't bad at all.

Well … as someone who's lived here for four decades, I beg to differ. Yes, the situation isn't as bad as some people here make it out to be. But it's bad enough.

Crime, while still low on a nation-wide scale, is rising. Terrorism is not a new phenomenon in these parts; before ISIS we saw the PLO and RAF commit atrocities in Germany; but the danger has extended to much larger areas and demographics.

Organised crime is a completely new thing here. Yes, the Italian mafia spread to Germany decades ago, piggy-backing on guest workers from Sicily and Calabria, but for the longest time they used this country "only" as a retreat and as a place for money laundering. The very idea that criminal clans could rule entire streets was unheard of just twenty years ago.

Cultural clashes have become a daily occurrence. Muslim students harass their own, and sometimes their non-Muslim classmates, for not abiding by religious norms. Young men from MENA countries sexually harass white girls and women, believing it to be appropriate flirting behaviour (or just living out their misogynic cultural background).

Cultural norms erode. In many cities, little is left of the Germany of old where people would abide by traffic rules, don't litter, and try not to disturb their neighbours' sleep after 10 pm.

Our education and social systems are overburdened. Many students from immigrant families leave elementary school wholly unprepared for secondary education, because the teachers had to spend all four years teaching them the language of the land instead of basic knowledge. Our healthcare suffers from an influx of people who never contributed to the system. The already-strained housing market has become overburdened by the government and NGOs trying to house immigrants.

(Ironically—considering the attention the American right has devoted to these developments—we call them "Americanisation".)

The face of the country is changing. And I'm not talking about colour of skin or that kind of rubbish.

I'm talking about high streets deteriorating (how many Arab barber shops do we need next to each other?).

I'm talking about the changes to policing we've seen in recent years. The role model of a German police officer used to be that of the Freund und Helfer ("friend and a helping hand"). Even in cities like Hamburg, which have always been crime-ridden, they were more like social workers with legal authority, lightly armed, and approachable by doctrine.

Not any more. That approach doesn't work with migrants from countries where the police are feared as agents of oppression, who'll consequently not respect our officers of peace for their light-handed approach. That fact, combined with the terrorist threat and an ever-growing atmosphere of hostility in certain immigrant neighbourhoods, has militarised our police.

And I'm talking about the social contract buckling under this strain. It's buckling quite severely, and ever more so when we're told by our politicians "it's not that bad". Now, don't get me wrong; I've said it before and I'll say it again, the support for parties like AfD isn't motivated just by legitimate grievances. East Germany in particular has a considerable problem with neo-Nazism.

But here is where much of the anger comes from: Culturally and legally, Germany is a nation where we err on the side of caution. There's a gazillion of tightly enforced rules to guard against even the most improbable of risks. The very idea of just accepting avoidable risks or letting problems unattended for reasons of political correctness is highly alien to us.

Why should I risk prison time for not paying a fine when illegal immigrants can prowl our streets, many with prior convictions (which usually leads to their home countries resisting abortion attempts)? You'll hear many Germans ask that kind of question.

 

[downsizer]

and RAF commit atrocities in Germany;

Mate you started it! We just bombed your cities and industry.

 

[muck]

Mate you started it! We just bombed your cities and industry.

Irony aside, I keep forgetting that the name Baader Meinhof Gang is more commonly known outside Germany.
It just sounds wrong. It sounds like a merry posse of train robbers.