Warfare Russia/Ukraine War

[Chazman]

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[Mark Sman]

162 A-10 Warthogs (looks like a Puma) are going to be retired in FY26.

Maybe we should "retire" some of them quicker and save some money.

Find a nice scrap yard someplace inexpensive . . . say in Poland.

We could save money by storing say 40 of them there along with all the now useless munitions, spare parts, maintenance gear, manuals, simulators. Perhaps open a nice community engagement center where former instructor pilots and ground crew could demonstrate how these used to work.

After the scrap yard in Poland finishes disposing of the first 40 however it is they do that we can send a new batch for them to work on. We could get rid of all of these in less than a year. Think of the savings.

 

[Chazman]

162 A-10 Warthogs (looks like a Puma) are going to be retired in FY26.

Maybe we should "retire" some of them quicker and save some money.

Find a nice scrap yard someplace inexpensive . . . say in Poland.

We could save money by storing say 40 of them there along with all the now useless munitions, spare parts, maintenance gear, manuals, simulators. Perhaps open a nice community engagement center where former instructor pilots and ground crew could demonstrate how these used to work.

After the scrap yard in Poland finishes disposing of the first 40 however it is they do that we can send a new batch for them to work on. We could get rid of all of these in less than a year. Think of the savings.

I believe the Senate told the Air Force not to retire them. We'll see.

 

[Mark Sman]

I believe the Senate told the Air Force not to retire them. We'll see.

"The (senate) committee’s NDAA would require the Air Force to keep at least 103 Warthogs in 2026."

Some A-10 Warthogs may dodge retirement under proposed Senate bill

The DOD's fiscal 2026 budget calls for the Air Force to retire its remaining 162 A-10 attack planes. The Senate's version would have the service keep 103.

www.defensenews.com

So we dispose of 59 of them now as a compromise. I mean what is the likelyhood of a high-intensity land conflict breaking out in the sort of environment these were designed to operate in against the type of targets they were designed to engage?

 

[Chazman]

"The (senate) committee’s NDAA would require the Air Force to keep at least 103 Warthogs in 2026."

Some A-10 Warthogs may dodge retirement under proposed Senate bill

The DOD's fiscal 2026 budget calls for the Air Force to retire its remaining 162 A-10 attack planes. The Senate's version would have the service keep 103.

www.defensenews.com

So we dispose of 59 of them now as a compromise. I mean what is the likelyhood of a high-intensity land conflict breaking out in the sort of environment these were designed to operate in against the type of targets they were designed to engage?

I think the larger issue is they want to keep the dedicated CAS community going with a dedicated CAS aircraft.

 

[TheKiwi]

The fetishisation of the A-10 makes zero sense to me. It's dead meat in any kind of serious air defence environment and it's BRRRRRRRRRRT attack has been obsolete against armour since the 1991 Gulf War.

 

[Mike1976]

The fetishisation of the A-10 makes zero sense to me. It's dead meat in any kind of serious air defence environment and it's BRRRRRRRRRRT attack has been obsolete against armour since the 1991 Gulf War.

For the US it is useless unless you are fighting tribesmen who aren't being given MANPADS by China, Russia or Iran and that shouldn't be the standard you set for the air force of a superpower. Super Tucanos or a light jet could do that job. If you want dedicated CAS so badly then give some dedicated ANG units relatively new F-16 airframes and more emphasis on A2G engagement training.

For the Ukrainians it's probably easier to retrain their Su-25 pilots to fly A-10 than it is F-16. Both the Su-25 and A-10 are a waste of resources in this day and age imo, but if all you've got is a hammer instead of an aircraft factory ...

 

[Mark Sman]

For the US it is useless unless you are fighting tribesmen who aren't being given MANPADS by China, Russia or Iran and that shouldn't be the standard you set for the air force of a superpower. Super Tucanos or a light jet could do that job. If you want dedicated CAS so badly then give some dedicated ANG units relatively new F-16 airframes.

For the Ukrainians it's probably easier to retrain their Su-25 pilots to fly A-10 than it is F-16. Both the Su-25 and A-10 are a waste of resources in this day and age imo, but if all you've got is a hammer instead of an aircraft factory ...

This. Ukraine made use of SU-25. I they can get value out of that, they can get value out of A-10.

Which is why I would be OK with sending the entire stock of them today. Pretty much the last chance to get value out of them.

 

[Mike1976]

This. Ukraine made use of SU-25. I they can get value out of that, they can get value out of A-10.

Which is why I would be OK with sending the entire stock of them today. Pretty much the last chance to get value out of them.

Yeah, but look at how they have been used post the first few months of the war. Fly towards the LOC, elevate a couple of degrees and empty the rocket pods. A Grad-21 could do that job, but much cheaper, far less of a logistical effort needed and more accurately with the added benefit that if it is lost it's not a propaganda victory for the russians like shooting down western jets is.

 

[TheKiwi]

I guess. The F-16 is just a lot more value in terms of multi-role, able to handle newer munitions, etc.

 

[Mike1976]

I guess. The F-16 is just a lot more value in terms of multi-role, able to handle newer munitions, etc.

Stand-off is King.

 

[TheKiwi]

I think the larger issue is they want to keep the dedicated CAS community going with a dedicated CAS aircraft.

If they really want that, repeal the Johnson-McConnell agreement of 1966 between the US Army and the USAF and allow the Army to operate CAS. Of course that would make all USAF generals have kittens....

 

[Mark Sman]

If they really want that, repeal the Johnson-McConnell agreement of 1966 between the US Army and the USAF and allow the Army to operate CAS. Of course that would make all USAF generals have kittens....

Not kittens. They would be spewing full grown Siberian Tigers, from both ends.

 

[primer]

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2:32 US pilots flying F16's for Ukraine

 

[Hiryu2.0]

Russian oil is killing Cyprus - Сyprus Daily News

Limassol smells like oil. Literally. For several weeks now, residents and tourists have been complaining about black spots on their skin after swimming, - Сyprus Daily News

cynews.is

Everyone knows everything. Everyone sees everything. But the authorities continue to «investigate» without naming those responsible. Meanwhile, Russia is killing this wonderful island with its magnificent beaches, as it always does to everyone it can reach.

If the culprit is not openly named, it will be impossible to stop the crime, and the pollution will continue. Tomorrow. Today. Right now.

 

[Hiryu2.0]

Another Day, Another TACO

Trump says Zelenskyy should not strike Moscow, will not send long-range missiles to Ukraine

'He shouldn't target Moscow,' Trump says of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

 

[Fluff]

The fetishisation of the A-10 makes zero sense to me. It's dead meat in any kind of serious air defence environment and it's BRRRRRRRRRRT attack has been obsolete against armour since the 1991 Gulf War.

Stick one of elons robots in the seat. Job done.

 

[Hiryu2.0]

Russia 'didn’t care' about Trump's weapons for Ukraine, tariff threats, official says

Russia continued its nightly bombardment of Ukrainian cities, after President Donald Trump said the U.S. would send military equipment to Kyiv.

abcnews.go.com

 

[TheKiwi]

Russia 'didn’t care' about Trump's weapons for Ukraine, tariff threats, official says

Russia continued its nightly bombardment of Ukrainian cities, after President Donald Trump said the U.S. would send military equipment to Kyiv.

abcnews.go.com

Of course they didn't. It's not like supplying any kind of weapon to Ukraine has been a "red line" for them... repeatedly... over and over.

 

[Picanha]

Russian oil is killing Cyprus - Сyprus Daily News

Limassol smells like oil. Literally. For several weeks now, residents and tourists have been complaining about black spots on their skin after swimming, - Сyprus Daily News

cynews.is

Everyone knows everything. Everyone sees everything. But the authorities continue to «investigate» without naming those responsible. Meanwhile, Russia is killing this wonderful island with its magnificent beaches, as it always does to everyone it can reach.

If the culprit is not openly named, it will be impossible to stop the crime, and the pollution will continue. Tomorrow. Today. Right now.

Somebody is protected here by lazy bureaucrats.

Or even intentionally.

Bigoterie par excellence

Putler and his goons build on that have spend lots of efforts on working the right person's to create their aura of secure partner just to sneak into the relevant circles.

These persons must be named and persecuted but they are smart they work right on the beginning to stall every process leading to applicable laws and actions against them.