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Right now, it's all over the news in Czechia. So far, 18 Russian embasy staff expelled.

The Czech prime minister, Andrej Babiš, says that the country’s security services have evidence that officers of the Russian foreign military intelligence agency the GRU were involved in the explosion of 50 tonnes of munitions at a depot in Vrbětice in Moravia in October 2014 in which two people died.

According to some sources, motivation behind the attack was that Russians thought the munition is for Ukrainians.
 
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Was Russia's (alleged) involvement known before that day, or did it take Czechoslovakia 7 years to come to that conclusion?

Because, timing wise, it seems a bit "convenient".
 
It's mentioned in the posted article. Czech security services obtained some new informations last year that helped to uncover the reason behind the explosion.

Btw, it looks like this case is linked to the poisoning of Bulgarian arm dealer Gebrev, who was poisoned 6 months after the explosion in Vrbětice as he was the key person behind the deal with the munition in the very same munition depot.

 
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It's mentioned in the posted article. Czech security services obtained some new informations last year that helped to uncover the reason behind the explosion.

Btw, it looks like this case is linked to the poisoning of Bulgarian arm dealer Gebrev, who was poisoned 6 months after the explosion in Vrbětice as he was the key person behind the deal with the munition in the very same munition depot.


Key phrase: "Gebrev and the two other victims fell ill but survived."

Yes this is definitely Russian poison. If history ever taught us anything yet, Russian poison never kills, and GRU is retarded.
Can explode entire munitions depots, still can't kill a single person. ,-surre
 
Key phrase: "Gebrev and the two other victims fell ill but survived."

Yes this is definitely Russian poison. If history ever taught us anything yet, Russian poison never kills, and GRU is retarded.
Can explode entire munitions depots, still can't kill a single person. ,-surre
Well, maybe its actually USSR poison, and Russia inherited it??

Maybe check the use-by date, next time.
 
As I understand it, the allegation is that Russian agents attempted to blow up an arms shipment that a Bulgarian arms dealer had planned to sell to Ukraine. Apparently, the Czechs think the explosion wasn't even to take place inside the country. Doesn't sound too implausible.

By the way, y'all, please leave your "Russian collusion" memes where they were. The American left isn't the yardstick with which to measure the whole world, and Prague isn't Washington D.C.

Besides, in a world where everyone is apparently more than welcome to nourish old grudges against their former foes or oppressors, surely the peoples of Eastern Europe have a right to be wary of Russian expansionism?
 
surely the peoples of Eastern Europe have a right to be wary of Russian expansionism?

Russia poisoned Skripals
Russia poisoned Navalny
Russia poisoned Gebrev
and tens more people, all of whom survived.
Russia shot down Polish president's plane.
Russia shot down MH17.
Russia hacked US elections.
Russia hacked Germany.
Trump is Russia's agent.
Russia's agents are all over Europe.
Russia blew up Czechia's dignity.
Russia uses Sputnik vaccine is a weapon of hybrid warfare.
Nord Stream 2 will destroy Europe.
Russian troll-farms working overtime to challenge NATO's foreign policy on twitter, facebook, youtube, 4chan, reddit.
If we don't protect NATO, Russia will conquer Europe and the rest of the world.

There has to be a point at which people stop taking this seriously, and start asking real questions.
 
Russia's agents are all over Europe.
Right there I already lost my will to bother formulating a response. Of course they have agents all over Europe. Every country with geopolitical interests has agents in territories tangent to said interests. Are you taking the piss?

The only two claims on your little list which are rubbish and not easily substantiated* are Trump being agent and Nord Stream 2 posing some sort of threat to Europe. There's no proof as to the former, and manifest evidence against the latter insofar as Europe has been buying Russian gas ever since the height of the Cold War.

Your blanket rejection of the remainder rests on the usual "everyone is a bully towards Russia"-narrative. You're essentially suggesting that only Russia can be trusted and that all the other countries lie – their newspapers, their governments, their courts, everyone. That's even statistically unlikely, nevermind the body of evidence to the contrary.

What you gain from calling B.S. on incidents like MH17 is a mystery to me. Unless, maybe, you're one of those people who think that criticising their government is tantamount to attacking their nation's honour or some such nonsense. Look at Iran. Barely a year after their shooting down of UAI 752 no one talks about it anymore. It was a mistake, they've agreed to compensate the victims, end of story.

The charges pressed against some Russian nationals by the Dutch are just that, an indictment of individuals – not Russia. Your harping on about it reveals the exact kind of paranoia you're accusing the West of. Heck, the Americans too once accidentally downed an airliner. There's literally no sound reason to suggest those charges were made up in order to damage Russia somehow.

*) Unless, of course, you're artificially narrowing down the scope of permissible sources of substantiation to those vetted by the Russian government. Which is a repetition of the faux argument cited above.
 
Key phrase: "Gebrev and the two other victims fell ill but survived."

Yes this is definitely Russian poison. If history ever taught us anything yet, Russian poison never kills, and GRU is retarded.
Can explode entire munitions depots, still can't kill a single person. ,-surre

The absente is stronk

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The Czech prime minister, Andrej Babiš, says that the country’s security services have evidence ...

The Czech prime minister, Andrej Babis has reputation as the boy who cried wolf too many times while his security services are russophobic fools.

Another example of their sick fantasies was on display April last year when the Czech Republic has expelled two Russian diplomats after a BIS informant in Russian embassy spread false information about a planned poison attack on three Czech politicians. It turned out to be false and while Russians ousted BIS informant in process Czech politicians made themselves look silly in public media.
 
Russia tends to be treated as the de-facto boogeyman by western countries with every and any issue being blamed on Putin.

Even the Yellow Jacket got blamed on Russia.

An attempt on a arms-dealer's life? Can't say that's breaking news, not really the safest and couchy line of work.
Ammunition depot blowing up? Ok, that's not a daily occurrence (which is good) but it happens and can happen.
 
Right there I already lost my will to bother formulating a response. Of course they have agents all over Europe. Every country with geopolitical interests has agents in territories tangent to said interests. Are you taking the piss?

The only two claims on your little list which are rubbish and not easily substantiated* are Trump being agent and Nord Stream 2 posing some sort of threat to Europe. There's no proof as to the former, and manifest evidence against the latter insofar as Europe has been buying Russian gas ever since the height of the Cold War.

Your blanket rejection of the remainder rests on the usual "everyone is a bully towards Russia"-narrative. You're essentially suggesting that only Russia can be trusted and that all the other countries lie – their newspapers, their governments, their courts, everyone. That's even statistically unlikely, nevermind the body of evidence to the contrary.

What you gain from calling B.S. on incidents like MH17 is a mystery to me. Unless, maybe, you're one of those people who think that criticising their government is tantamount to attacking their nation's honour or some such nonsense. Look at Iran. Barely a year after their shooting down of UAI 752 no one talks about it anymore. It was a mistake, they've agreed to compensate the victims, end of story.

The charges pressed against some Russian nationals by the Dutch are just that, an indictment of individuals – not Russia. Your harping on about it reveals the exact kind of paranoia you're accusing the West of. Heck, the Americans too once accidentally downed an airliner. There's literally no sound reason to suggest those charges were made up in order to damage Russia somehow.

*) Unless, of course, you're artificially narrowing down the scope of permissible sources of substantiation to those vetted by the Russian government. Which is a repetition of the faux argument cited above.

The problem with that line is that there has been a lot of fictions, rumors and hoaxes that got debunked, but still got given traction and credibility.
As of today, a lot of these fictions/rumors/hoaxes are still believed

There are ramifications to this: it damages the ability to gather and share intelligence.
There are plenty of things Russia is doing that are, indeed, wrong; but whenever you start blaming Russia for false, wrong, fallacious, debunked rumors, bad intelligence, etc... it loses veracity and credibility and the effective ability to hold Russia accountable for the things they do do.
It undermines what Russia is actually guilty for, it undermines the credibility of the accusations made against Russia and the ability of any country to hold them accountable.

And yes, the "Russian collusion" was turned into a meme, but the "Russian collusion" is nevertheless extremely, and still today, relevant.
It was 4 years of constant "Russia bogeyman", with politicians coming forward claiming "we have proof, you have not seen and will never see because it is classified, that Russia did things and much worse" for political purpose to discredit a president they didn't like.
It is not only about "the US left", but it is something that has been done all over the world by countries that are unhappy with Russia.
The media, all over the world, ran with these rumors. The Russia-bad mentality has permeated each and every strata of the population.

And the fact that none of these fake stories got retracted, and/or their debunking received close to 0 coverage, is also a very big issue. Because politicians and people are still running around with lies in mind.

All that to go at a president they didn't like. Let that sink in. Think of all the consequences and contrast them with the initial goal.

This is very damaging for everybody and is putting actual lives in danger.
 
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What you guys are looking at is known as "the Great Game".
And it's quite surprising that all the poisoning stories started with the UK. Or rather, should I say, not surprising?

The more ridiculous these "russia horror stories" become, the more desperate Mi6 and co. are getting. That's all I have to say, take it as you want.
 
What you guys are looking at is known as "the Great Game".
And it's quite surprising that all the poisoning stories started with the UK. Or rather, should I say, not surprising?

The more ridiculous these "russia horror stories" become, the more desperate Mi6 and co. are getting. That's all I have to say, take it as you want.
thats right, the UK is regularly going around, poisoning random (only) Russians living in UK, and now the UK is blowing up arms depots, thus proving Russia is bad, but its not its the UK? Did I understand you right?

If you dont have an answer, just say I dont know, no need to try and point the finger at another NATO member.

They are only ridiculous because you are getting caught...
 
Russia poisoned Skripals
Russia poisoned Navalny
Russia poisoned Gebrev
and tens more people, all of whom survived.
Russia shot down Polish president's plane.
Russia shot down MH17.
Russia hacked US elections.
Russia hacked Germany.
Trump is Russia's agent.
Russia's agents are all over Europe.
Russia blew up Czechia's dignity.
Russia uses Sputnik vaccine is a weapon of hybrid warfare.
Nord Stream 2 will destroy Europe.
Russian troll-farms working overtime to challenge NATO's foreign policy on twitter, facebook, youtube, 4chan, reddit.
If we don't protect NATO, Russia will conquer Europe and the rest of the world.

There has to be a point at which people stop taking this seriously, and start asking real questions.

Mixing a few stupidities such as the downing of the Polish presidential plane, dismissed by almost all Poles, with real events is a communication strategy.

It works on some people.
 

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