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So with the deployment of the National Guard to 19 states, is Trump in for a military power grab like a dictator or is the US a failed State?
Also, this would prove that the National Guard is in fact, not a state militia? Speaking of militias, where the "right to bear arms to stop dem gubmint" crowd?

So many questions....

Oh and when are we seeing the Epstein list?
 
Trump about Cuba
 
There have been ZERO murders in DC for several days. The Dems want their murders, rapes and robberies back!

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These jack@$$ 'journalists' are either
1. Outright liars, or worse..
2. Atrociously ignorant of words, meanings of words, and the law itself.

Kilmar Abrego Garcia, who was wrongly deported in March before being brought back to the U.S. to face new criminal charges, was taken into immigration custody...

One cannot be WRONGLY deported, when you are ILLEGALLY in another nation!!!
 
These jack@$$ 'journalists' are either
1. Outright liars, or worse..
2. Atrociously ignorant of words, meanings of words, and the law itself.

Kilmar Abrego Garcia, who was wrongly deported in March before being brought back to the U.S. to face new criminal charges, was taken into immigration custody...

One cannot be WRONGLY deported, when you are ILLEGALLY in another nation!!!
That's why they have lost credibility with all but the most brain dead leftists. They treat this wife beating, drug dealing, human trafficker like a hero, because somehow, in their little, semi-functional brains, they feel it will hurt Trump. He is very likely to be deported to Uganda now. I wonder if Democrats will go and see him there and share Margaritas with him?
 
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This is not a well thought out statement by Vance. He should have known the reaction it would get.

But the amount of people going off saying what an idiot he is because "they know history" and there was no negotiation?

Ummm, yes there was. There was an epic amount of negotiation just to get the Allied powers to agree on the Potsdam declaration.

Not to mention the metric F-Ton of inter Allied power negotiations that preceded that.

Oh, and the Japanese even negotiated the conditions of the Potsdam declaration to secure the survival of the Emperor.

Not to mention that the Germans had to surrender twice in order to get the Russians fully onboard. And that was after multiple conferences where the Allies had been working on the conditions and documents they would use for a German surrender.

Vance wasn't just technically correct. That statement was very correct. Still don't like him. And the statement was poorly considered.

Bonus prize, guess where one of the biggest negotiating conferences took place. Hint, it has been in the news lately.
 
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This is not a well thought out statement by Vance. He should have known the reaction it would get.

But the amount of people going off saying what an idiot he is because "they know history" and there was no negotiation?

Ummm, yes there was. There was an epic amount of negotiation just to get the Allied powers to agree on the Potsdam declaration.

Not to mention the metric F-Ton of inter Allied power negotiations that preceded that.

Oh, and the Japanese even negotiated the conditions of the Potsdam declaration to secure the survival of the Emperor.

Not to mention that the Germans had to surrender twice in order to get the Russians fully onboard. And that was after multiple conferences where the Allies had been working on the conditions and documents they would use for a German surrender.

Vance wasn't just technically correct. That statement was very correct. Still don't like him. And the statement was poorly considered.

Bonus prize, guess where one of the biggest negotiating conferences took place. Hint, it has been in the news lately.
Yes, there were negotiations with the Italians, the Germans and the Japanese even though all surrendered.
 
This is not a well thought out statement by Vance. He should have known the reaction it would get.

But the amount of people going off saying what an idiot he is because "they know history" and there was no negotiation?

Ummm, yes there was. There was an epic amount of negotiation just to get the Allied powers to agree on the Potsdam declaration.

Not to mention the metric F-Ton of inter Allied power negotiations that preceded that.

Oh, and the Japanese even negotiated the conditions of the Potsdam declaration to secure the survival of the Emperor.

Not to mention that the Germans had to surrender twice in order to get the Russians fully onboard. And that was after multiple conferences where the Allies had been working on the conditions and documents they would use for a German surrender.

Vance wasn't just technically correct. That statement was very correct. Still don't like him. And the statement was poorly considered.

Bonus prize, guess where one of the biggest negotiating conferences took place. Hint, it has been in the news lately.
Yes, there were negotiations with the Italians, the Germans and the Japanese even though all surrendered.

The difference is between negotiating a surrender and unconditional surrender like which Japanese and Germany faced. Unconditional surrender means unconditional.
For example Japan did not negotiate preserving the Emperor prior to accepting unconditional surrender.

It's a big difference; are you negotiating from a position of already accepted unconditional surrender, or you're still actively fighting.
 
The difference is between negotiating a surrender and unconditional surrender like which Japanese and Germany faced. Unconditional surrender means unconditional.
For example Japan did not negotiate preserving the Emperor prior to accepting unconditional surrender.

It's a big difference; are you negotiating from a position of already accepted unconditional surrender, or you're still actively fighting.
I don't believe the Japanese surrendered unconditionally. They negotiated with conditions, like preserving the Emperor. Anyway, we are getting into to the weeds here. At the end, Ukraine and Russia will have a negotiation.
 
I don't believe the Japanese surrendered unconditionally. They negotiated with conditions, like preserving the Emperor.
Yes they did surrender unconditionally. They tried to negotiate terms initially which the US responded to by erasing two cities. The emperor got to stay in a ceremonial role because of US government and military considerations that it would be easier to keep the population under control through the emperor. The Potsdam Declaration was purposely left vague so the Japanese themselves could choose to enable the symbolic role (or rather present it that way to their population).

"Unconditional surrender" Grant was one of the greatest military minds in US history. Yes there were negotiations when the armies surrendered, but that was only for logistical and legal purposes to not get stuck with huge bodies of people needing to be housed and fed. The House put through reconstruction and reconciliation bills, but the (former) Confederates did not get a say in the matter. When Sherman initially offered very lenient terms to Joseph E. Johnston he was slapped silly by both D.C. and Grant and forced to demand an unconditional surrender.

The US has forgotten it's own history.
 
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either he has no idea what he is talking about, which is not good, or he is just trying to put a positive spin on having achieved nothing with russia, which is typical of all politicians everywhere. putting a positive spin on something where nothing has been achieved is predictable no matter the party.
 

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