The first Merlin for the Polish Navy was outside with rotors in Yeovil on 12.07.2021 for the first time. It was outside approx 12.30 to 19.30. Various ground checks took place and the aircraft was fueled to check for leaks.


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Photos - Phil Adkin
 
Don't be so sure about it, i am almost sure that they will move them to other units.
I don’t think so, as Poland has already got the biggest number of tanks amongst any European NATO armies. We don’t plan creating the 5th division, so T-72s will be replaced rather than moved to a different unit.

I read an expert trolling a politician on Twatter.
The politician: “we decided to spend this money [1.8 bn PLN] in order to save the jobs and subsidise the military industry”.
The expert: “The only thing you are going to subsidise are some poor African countries who will buy these tanks at the fraction of what you will spend on upgrading them right after the M1s arrive. The richer African countries won’t be interested in buying our T-72s, as their opponents are equipped with an anti-tank weapon. Even in counties like Syria, meany soldiers would not be brave enough to fight rebels in a city with a tank that was produced at the beginning of 80s and it doesn’t have any reactive armour”.
 
There are many aspects of this purchase that seem off to me, and it is certainly not a step in the right direction of the most efficient path to upgrade the Polish Armed Forces. While the Technical Modernization Program is perfectly imperfect, it is at least a basis to build on and create confidence that the military and government have a workable blueprint.
As I understand it, the 1st armored will now have cycled through 3 different tanks in 5 years, assuming the introduction of the Abrams is Fait accompli, and will now have to reverse course on logistics, training and support systems including storage build-outs that were finally gaining traction for the 2A5. These kind of zig-zags hardly support continuous operability.
250 M1A2 v3 will substantially improve the combat capability of the mechanized forces, but without a capable IFV (Borsuk) or attack helo or tracked AA assets to name but a few missing pieces they will be limited in their impact. Perhaps they count on the Americans providing some of the more transportable assets like Patriot, HIMARS (curious procurement of 18 fire HOMAR units by Poland?) etc. I don't have knowledge of what goes on behind the scenes, but I am sceptical that it is overly nuanced.
Speaking of participation of Polish industry why are the Borsuks delayed until 2023/2024? Production capacity issue? Enlarge the capacity. Also, the Poles are in dire need of modern helos throw some money at the S-70i. Those acquisitions outside the normal MOD funding may be a bit more palatable to some taxpayers.
Regardless, if the Poles are really serious about modernization, they will need to finance many more major weapons purchases outside the regular defence budget. It is not clear that this particular purchase will be supportive of a continuation of that process, and there are, of course, limits to the burden the economy can bear and the speed as to what the military can absorb from a logistical, technological, training, and doctrinal perspective. It is going to take time.
 
There are many aspects of this purchase that seem off to me, and it is certainly not a step in the right direction of the most efficient path to upgrade the Polish Armed Forces. While the Technical Modernization Program is perfectly imperfect, it is at least a basis to build on and create confidence that the military and government have a workable blueprint.
As I understand it, the 1st armored will now have cycled through 3 different tanks in 5 years, assuming the introduction of the Abrams is Fait accompli, and will now have to reverse course on logistics, training and support systems including storage build-outs that were finally gaining traction for the 2A5. These kind of zig-zags hardly support continuous operability.
250 M1A2 v3 will substantially improve the combat capability of the mechanized forces, but without a capable IFV (Borsuk) or attack helo or tracked AA assets to name but a few missing pieces they will be limited in their impact. Perhaps they count on the Americans providing some of the more transportable assets like Patriot, HIMARS (curious procurement of 18 fire HOMAR units by Poland?) etc. I don't have knowledge of what goes on behind the scenes, but I am sceptical that it is overly nuanced.
Speaking of participation of Polish industry why are the Borsuks delayed until 2023/2024? Production capacity issue? Enlarge the capacity. Also, the Poles are in dire need of modern helos throw some money at the S-70i. Those acquisitions outside the normal MOD funding may be a bit more palatable to some taxpayers.
Regardless, if the Poles are really serious about modernization, they will need to finance many more major weapons purchases outside the regular defence budget. It is not clear that this particular purchase will be supportive of a continuation of that process, and there are, of course, limits to the burden the economy can bear and the speed as to what the military can absorb from a logistical, technological, training, and doctrinal perspective. It is going to take time.
I will only add from myself that only the purchase of logistics equipment (accompanying bridges, wagons, road sets for transport) will be a significant burden. What could delay orders for the new IFV Borsuk and the ZSSW-30 towers. But how beautiful the parades will look - 6 types of MBTs (T-72 M1R, PT-91, Leopard 2A4, Leopard 2A5, Leopard 2PL, M1A2 SEPv3)!
The only thing that is needed to completely drain the defense budget is the takeover of the American LCS ships ... (let me be wrong). Meanwhile, without decent air defense, reconnaissance and immune communication, it will be a pile of scrap metal.

By the way - what encrypted communication systems come with HIMARS and M1A2? Polish or foreign, over which we have no influence?
Another topic to think about.
 
I will only add from myself that only the purchase of logistics equipment (accompanying bridges, wagons, road sets for transport) will be a significant burden. What could delay orders for the new IFV Borsuk and the ZSSW-30 towers. But how beautiful the parades will look - 6 types of MBTs (T-72 M1R, PT-91, Leopard 2A4, Leopard 2A5, Leopard 2PL, M1A2 SEPv3)!
The only thing that is needed to completely drain the defense budget is the takeover of the American LCS ships ... (let me be wrong). Meanwhile, without decent air defense, reconnaissance and immune communication, it will be a pile of scrap metal.

By the way - what encrypted communication systems come with HIMARS and M1A2? Polish or foreign, over which we have no influence?
Another topic to think about.
WB makes noise about integrating Polish comms into US vehicles?

LCS for Poland?:eek:

I wonder if the general budget might be accessed for upgrading infrastructure for tanks?

The one thing that might make sense about this procurement is that shipping 70+t tanks is very difficult while shipping Patriot, HIMARS, Bradleys etc less so. But then again that gives too much credit.
 
This fragment on integration was a rhetorical question. In all orders in the United States, there is no mention of Polish communication systems. I am talking clearly about the FMS - that is, we buy exactly the same set as the American armed forces. Rather, there will be no question of any "polonization".:(

LCS for Poland? I'm afraid that someone "brilliant" might come up with such an idea. Well, because the ally will be pleased and the problem of the navy will be temporarily solved. Until the next renovation, of course, but someone else will probably be worried about that ... :mad:

Additionally, the idea of equipping units located at the eastern border is also "brilliant" because the terrain conditions in this part of Poland are more difficult, especially for heavier tanks.

I am not questioning the value of the M1 tanks themselves, but in my opinion their purchase and location are not very thoughtful.o_O
 
I don't know about Abrams procurement, but Borsuk seems like a very solid vehicle now and I hope there won't be any impediments to it's integration. ?
 
Joint exercises of British and Polish reconnaissance units, Osowiec, Poland, July 2021 (Polish sub-unit from 15 "Giżycka" Mechanized Brigade)

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Poland has just signed an agreement with Rheinmetall to produce the L44 120mm gun under licence.
In other word, the L55 is not planned.
I'm not sure if the L44 can be fitted into the Abrams, as the U.S. gun is a licenced L44 as well.
 
Poland has just signed an agreement with Rheinmetall to produce the L44 120mm gun under licence.
In other word, the L55 is not planned.
I'm not sure if the L44 can be fitted into the Abrams, as the U.S. gun is a licenced L44 as well.
M256 is modified L44, its not the same and you can't just fit RH120 into M1A2 afaik.
Also, it isnt whole RH120, but barrel and few other elements (they didn't specify which ones)


"Huta Stalowa Wola to profesjonalny partner i jesteśmy gotowi do dalszego jej rozszerzania na kolejne typy nowoczesnego uzbrojenia czołgowego w wypadku podjęcia przez MON decyzji o uzbrojeniu polskich czołgów w nowe typy armat 120 lub 130 mm"

"Huta Stalowa Wola is a professional partner and we are ready to extend it further to new types of modern tank armament in the event that the Ministry of National Defense decides to equip Polish tanks with new types of 120 or 130 mm guns"

So Rheinmetall is ready to transfer technology but there is no need as we don't use any l/55, but i am surprised about 130mm.
 
Poland has just signed an agreement with Rheinmetall to produce the L44 120mm gun under licence.
In other word, the L55 is not planned.
I'm not sure if the L44 can be fitted into the Abrams, as the U.S. gun is a licenced L44 as well.
Regardless of everything else, this is an improvement in the availability of the barrels for all Leopard 2 versions, because even in the 2PL version, the L44 barrel remained.

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