Politics The 2020 American Presidential Election

[muck]

Dis someone say Crimea referendum with armed man around?

What an idiotic comparison. The Capitol needed police protection due to an angry mob attacking and thrashing the place. Where was your angry mob during the referendum on Crimea, threatening the process so much so that every polling station needed guarding by masked gunmen wearing no identification?

Corporate media bashing elected President for 4 years has nothing to do with Democracy.

Can't we cut the whataboutisms already. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Basically the politicians all seem relieved. Very tiresome when an outside upstart gets elected then does what he got elected on.

Like outsiders don't get elected into office all the time. Even fricking barmaids become congresspeople nowadays. Well, populists always love to pretend they're not "the establishment" even if they've assumed positions of power thereby becoming a part of the establishment – but it will be remembered as one of Trump's biggest achievements that he's led so many people to believe a billionaire is "one of us".

This narrative of Trump being that righteous cleaner god-sent from the outside to "drain the swamp" is so tiresome. Nevermind he's lied more than Obama (quite an effort), nevermind he's given more positions of power to family members and business friends than the Clinton's and the Kennedy's did combined, nevermind all those pardons he's handed out to his clique … how come he's not a part of "the swamp"?

And of course every single person that challenges Trump's nonsense about the election is only protecting their swamp privilege …? Don't you people see how strikingly akin your arguments are to the left's and their attempts to curb all debate about the veracity of their claims? How will you be able to credibly criticise the left the next time they try to shut out a certain part of the population from a debate?

Nevermind the fact even the judges appointed by Trump object to his claims, nevermind the fact that his most loyal ministers object to his claims – why has the credibility they commanded with the right expired all of a sudden? Because they've lost their usefulness?

It is always a hard choice: unrests and may be a civil war or acceptance of blatantly falsified voting.

Only that there was no "blatantly falsified voting". There was the usual amount of incompetence and malovelence that's existed in every election since the dawn of time but there's no proof to suggest it came even close to swaying this election.

Trump and those of his supporters who still cling to this claim behave like people who believe in chemtrails. Whoever proves them wrong just becomes a part of the conspiracy. And if all commercial pilots and aircraft mechanics would have to be in on the conspiracy, then so be it.

Some of these days I'm ashamed I have to consider myself as being on the right side of the aisle. Way too many conservatives are more than happy to commit every misdeed they love to accuse the left of.

The idea that a man as polarising as Donald Trump couldn't be voted out of office in a lawful, orderly way is patently absurd.

 

[Yevgeny]

Can't we cut the whataboutisms already. Two wrongs don't make a right.

What "whataboutism"? If you have no clue what I said just don't comment.

 

[muck]

What "whataboutism"? If you have no clue what I said just don't comment.

Oh, I am awefully sorry. I will never try to contend with you again.

 

[Yevgeny]

Oh, I am awefully sorry. I will never try to contend with you again.

Accepted.

 

[Telmar]

4 people dead and many others wounded. I gave you the link.

The Trump's only problem was he tried to remain independent from US corporate establishment. Doing so automatically makes you "Putin's asset", "communist" or whatever in modern America.

Corporate media bashing elected President for 4 years has nothing to do with Democracy.

Your link was CNN , and info is volatile, 4 sounded enormous to me. Especially for such a ridiculous protest. Rest in Peace even if their reasons were wrong.

Democracy is having people vote, votes counted and recounted, complaints heard by courts, audits performed, and for the loser to accept the results, to thank his supporters and to wish the country well. Trump has failed on all counts.

His legacy are those 4 dead people.That' s not all he did (and he did some good things), but that is for what he will be remembered: a manipulative arsonist who led people to die not for their country but for his over-inflated ego.

 

[Telmar]

I wonder if those "camp Auschwitz" T-shirts are on sale at the Mar a Lago resort boutique.

Anyone wearing something like that is a moron.

 

[primer]

Firstly no women has ever been elected president so the bar lady analogy is askew.... perhaps this is legal tactic. Throw enough S**t.. something will stick Comey style. I bet it hurts you sense of justice that he exonerated them most of all. The ones sucked into the Russia probe lie.
I'll leave the long list of Trump establishment reversals for more concise Ivan.
Trade war with literally Nazi China. No-one saw it coming. Not even the cocky little chicom bots that used to dwell on the other forum. Hillary campaigned on the free trade deal and as far as the establishment was concerned .... NAFTA was gold standard.
Well that was all fully dis-proven through to the Arab Isreal deal that sidelined the professional diplomatic corpse.

Trump the art of the deal.

 

[morris]

The Mob storming the Capitol yesterday eve didn’t win.

And Trump has lost the election.

Brace for yourself guys, Biden has won and it’s going to be a four years Biden/Dems presidency.

 

[morris]

I hear only one person killed. But still, died for someone's oversized ego.

There is a reason country leaders don't provoke gratuitously, but work to unite their country.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

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Oh my! Look at Trump and his ego!

Well yes! Because calling for investigation into electoral irregularities and fraud is nothing but a question of ego. Right? It's common sense!


Remember! That's all that was being asked for by the people who, ultimately, storm the Capitol (without destroying it, vandalizing it, burning it to the ground, tearing down status, looting everything): investigations into electoral fraud and irregularities.
No calls for murder, death, violence.
Despite one person getting shot, there hasn't been any escalation.

But "Trump's ego".

 

[Yevgeny]

Your link was CNN , and info is volatile, 4 sounded enormous to me. Especially for such a ridiculous protest. Rest in Peace even if their reasons were wrong.

So CNN only becomes a reliable source when it comes to bashing Trump right? But when it comes to counting dead Trump supporters its not trustworthy anymore?

Democracy is having people vote, votes counted and recounted, complaints heard by courts, audits performed, and for the loser to accept the results, to thank his supporters and to wish the country well. Trump has failed on all counts.

Democracy is having the difference of opinions. It failed because US corporate media definately had an agenda against Trump.

His legacy are those 4 dead people.That' s not all he did (and he did some good things), but that is for what he will be remembered: a manipulative arsonist who led people to die not for their country but for his over-inflated ego.

Well, 4 dead bodies its not that bad comparing with Bush Jr who left 300 000+ dead bodies in Iraq or Obama leaving 200 000+ in Syria...

 

[Deleted member 11302]

The Mob storming the Capitol yesterday eve didn’t win.

And Trump has lost the election.

Brace for yourself guys, Biden has won and it’s going to be a four years Biden/Dems presidency.

Yes Biden won. He "won" the same way that I once "aced" a physics exams I had barely prepared and studied for. If you're saying that people should just accept the way things will be, I can agree insofar as they might seek redress through electoral means.

Here's the catch 22, though, if the electoral process itself is the subject of grievance, what means of fighting back do people have? I mean the senate elections in Georgia had many of the same irregularities the general election did. As a foreigner I'm in no position to do much anyway, but I certainly won't tell Americans to just accept fishy elections and misrule against their interests in perpetuity.

I'll admit that I'm at a loss as to what can & should be done, but acquiescence can't be it.

 

[Jake84]

What an idiotic reaction to legitimate comparison, Goebbels would bee proud of you,
Anyway fascists won, you have your revenge.

Goebbels would be proud of muck for what? His post?
As a reminder he’s a German he might not like this too much.
Morris I’d suggest you hold your horses a bit here because frankly you’re beginning to piss me off.

 

[Telmar]

I wonder if Morris ordered his "camp Auschwitz" T-shirt. Clearly fits in the marketing target.

 

[Telmar]

Yes Biden won. He "won" the same way that I once "aced" a physics exams I had barely prepared and studied for. If you're saying that people should just accept the way things will be, I can agree insofar as they might seek redress through electoral means.

Here's the catch 22, though, if the electoral process itself is the subject of grievance, what means of fighting back do people have? I mean the senate elections in Georgia had many of the same irregularities the general election did. As a foreigner I'm in no position to do much anyway, but I certainly won't tell Americans to just accept fishy elections and misrule against their interests in perpetuity.

I'll admit that I'm at a loss as to what can & should be done, but acquiescence can't be it.

Serj, in the last years, American judges and the SCOTUS clearly are conservative, and they clearly confirmed the election was legitimate. if the electoral process is the subjet of grievance of some people, then maybe it' s the whole point of elections that are being challenged.

 

[Deleted member 11302]

Which side your country were on in ww2?

C'mon guys, let's not play this stupid game. I get that tempers are flaring, so is mine, but we don't need to engage in name-calling and d!ck measuring.

 

[primer]

The Pensylvania electoral model is now gold standard.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

That being said, Trump's political career and life is virtually over now.

Even if the electoral votes end up going his way, there is no way he could expect to reunite the country after this.
Not that the Dems were interested in reunification either anyway, as we have seen for the past 4 years and then following Biden's election.

 

[Jake84]

I had to put Morris on a temp-ban because of his nonsense and insulting posts as of the last pages of this thread.

I am leaving him a few weeks off so that he gets his head out of his ass and come back as we used to all like him. Please carry on the rest of you gents.

 

[Deleted member 11302]

Serj, in the last years, American judges and the SCOTUS clearly are conservative, and they clearly confirmed the election was legitimate. if the electoral process is the subjet of grievance of some people, then maybe it' s the whole point of elections that are being challenged.

Did they? As I had understood it, the issue was that they refused to even accept the case, which is a legal gap in America's judicial system. American courts, SCOTUS in particular, are often reluctant to hear cases that are brought forward. How can SCOTUS dispense a ruling and thus "confirm" the election if they won't even accept to hear the case?

Your point on them being conservatives is pretty much irrelevant since American judges are historically loathe to insert themselves in the electoral process one way or another even if the constitution endows them with that right and duty.