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Politics Tariffs/Trade Wars

Some investors can of course take the volatility, but those would be fewer and in that case the expected profits need to be exceptionally high.

Trump's unpredictability and the expected profits don't match at the moment and thus more and more investments are being made to other countries.
The serious investors take the long view. The unserious ones are looking for profit in the next 5 minutes. Trump is unpredictable to the 5 minute profit takers. That's why April was so volatile.

Regarding Trump's unpredictability, he is very predictable. In fact, he is 100% predictable. He will do what is good for America.

Anyway, market is up, jobs report is great, Wall Street bankers are backwalking their predictions for a recession.

Things are not very good in China, though.
 
Whaaaaaaaat?!?!?!? Just a couple weeks ago, the CCP said that the Fentanyl they produce and send to cartels, which kill 100,000 Americans per year, was America's problem. Anyway, no big rush on the US end, it's China's clock that's ticking.



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I'd bet China has spent MUCH more than that in USDs in April, buying Yuan in order to keep it's funny money from collapsing.

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Obama including bush to biden non actually had the balls to do any of this except speak about it.
I like how the sinophile economists of the free trade still try to say its fair ad ignore the IP theft and subsidized slave labour mechantile products. The titanic's band.
The dumbfounded silence from the Bernie unions also quite funny... line out of gladiator for Trump springs to mind..Are you not entertained? Do you not want work?
 
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The serious investors take the long view. The unserious ones are looking for profit in the next 5 minutes. Trump is unpredictable to the 5 minute profit takers. That's why April was so volatile.

Regarding Trump's unpredictability, he is very predictable. In fact, he is 100% predictable. He will do what is good for America.

Anyway, market is up, jobs report is great, Wall Street bankers are backwalking their predictions for a recession.

Things are not very good in China, though.
There is money to be made for serious investors even in volatile environment, I agree.

I was more talking of a bulk of investors, who are ordinary people investing in stock funds, which are of "moderate risk" and thus the banks arrange their portfolio away from the US stocks.
 
There is money to be made for serious investors even in volatile environment, I agree.

I was more talking of a bulk of investors, who are ordinary people investing in stock funds, which are of "moderate risk" and thus the banks arrange their portfolio away from the US stocks.
Always smart to diversify.
 
Obama including bush to biden non actually had the balls to do any of this except speak about it.
I like how the sinophile economists of the free trade still try to say its fair ad ignore the IP theft and subsidized slave labour mechantile products. The titanic's band.
The dumbfounded silence from the Bernie unions also quite funny... line out of gladiator for Trump springs to mind..Are you not entertained? Do you not want work?
Yes, all of them, from Bush senior on. Bernie is a big talker but is full of sh!t. As far as the unions go, the members are opening their eyes, but their leadership, not so much.

It took Trump to do this.
 
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Art of something, something.. peace of S**t deal 😬
 
https://newrepublic.com/article/194655/trump-recession-begun-shipping-tariffs

Trump’s Recession Has Begun​

It’s already in Seattle. It will now travel east.​


This is how the recession begins. In Seattle, cargo shipments are down 60 percent. Los Angeles will be next. As recently as November, the Los Angeles Times reported that cargo traffic at the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach reached record highs. But last week, it quoted the port’s executive director, Gene Seroka, predicting that “in two weeks’ time, arrivals will drop by 35 percent.” The reason, Seroka said, was that “essentially all shipments out of China for major retailers and manufacturers have ceased, and cargo coming out of Southeast Asia locations is much softer than normal.”

The recession will make its way east from Seattle and Los Angeles as trucks and freight trains carry less cargo overland. The port of New York–New Jersey, which is less reliant on China, is doing pretty well for now, which is good because transportation, warehousing, and storage account for more than 17 percent of all jobs in the Garden State. But Lisa Yakomin, head of the Association of Bi-State Motor Carriers, told the Bergen Record, “It’s a wait and see situation for the trucking community.”

If you think the sole benchmark for a healthy economy is a drop in imports, then I guess you can call a major-port ghost town good news, except about 200,000 jobs depend on the port not being a ghost town, and anyway a catastrophic falloff in imports was never going to make American factories bloom overnight, or possibly ever. According to the Business Roundtable, a lobby group for chief executives, one in five jobs in the U.S. is dependent on trade. The Retail Industry Leaders Association puts it more conservatively at one in 10 jobs, but that’s still a lot.

A recession occurs when there are two consecutive quarters of negative growth. The Commerce Department reported Wednesday that gross domestic product shrank 0.3 percent in the first quarter. Ordinarily, one might legitimately question whether a new president should be held responsible for the economy’s performance during his first two and a half months in office. But Trump broadcast his intention to slap tariffs on everything that moves before and after the election, and he just completed a very busy first 100 days.


Biggest, most beautiful recession incoming, bigly. Can't wait.
 
Seattle today.

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A bit longer vid about the subject.

Showing side of two ships doesn't really mean it's not happening...
 
The tariffs must have failed if the ports are full of chinese product. The very purpose is to create shortage so US product sells. Terrible idea to some.
Drug addicts get the same withdrawals.
 
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Off a tangent

Another culture war point that i hate has landed in Europe.
"Public sector jobs arent real jobs." That has lead to (at least here) public sector buying services from the private sector that costs more to the taxpayer but atleast you haven't, god forbid, hired more public sector workers.

No i don't work in the public sector.
 
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5% gdp growth? I wonder how factual rest of the claims are.
 
Off a tangent

Another culture war point that i hate has landed in Europe.
"Public sector jobs arent real jobs." That has lead to (at least here) public sector buying services from the private sector that costs more to the taxpayer but atleast you haven't, god forbid, hired more public sector workers.

No i don't work in the public sector.
I wish someone would have advised me in my 20's to get a state job.
 
5% gdp growth? I wonder how factual rest of the claims are.
We'll see. Imports were up about 42% to avoid tariffs and that is subtracted from GDP in the way they calculate. I was expecting around 3.5% for Q2, but St Onge speaks with more authority than I do.
 
Taiwanese workers will become walking zombie skeletons.
 
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When Hollywood gets a movie done here it gets tax breaks like nobody else can get, Milton Freidman is swept under the carpet, mumbled trade mantra's in parliament and on overseas missions forgotten.
A pulp mill that a small town relied on was closed due to free market sale of power assets and greeny ideals, no breaks for them.

New Zealand offers a 20% tax rebate, known as the New Zealand Screen Production Rebate (NZSPR), for eligible international film productions. This incentive is a cash rebate on qualifying New Zealand production expenditure. Additionally, productions demonstrating significant benefits to New Zealand can receive an extra 5% uplift, according to the NZ Film Commission
That's the starting point for negotiations.

The greenies would like to employ them planting trees on dairy farm land subsidized by the carbon credit scheme another market distorter.
 
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