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Politics South China Sea Thread
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Just seconds before the China Coast Guard Type 056 corvette CCG 3104 struck the People's Liberation Army Navy Type 052D destroyer CNS Guilin (DDG-164), there were a handful of CCG personnel at the CCG-3104's bow, trying to place rubber protection on the ship in the hipe of reducing the damage.
Obviously the damage was so severe due to the high speed of both Chinese ships, with the bow of the CCG ship destroyed in the process.
Now it is believed that these CCG personnel may have perished due to crushing, or fell off their ship because of the force.
A sign of potential missing CCG personnel can be seen by the movement of Chinese ships in the location of the accident, with several ships moving in grid which is a sign that they are searching for something, or someone, or several people.
Surprisingly, instead of stopping and assisting the CCG-3104, the CNS Guilin was said to continue its pursuit of BRP Suluan (MMRC-4406).
This only shows that people's lives, even of their own, is not important to them. Its just another sign why China has been very aggressive to others since they do not value life moreso those from other countries.
Until now China has not reported or mentioned anything about the accident in their news outlets or in their recent statement, which shows the control of flow of information in China to stop the Chinese populace from learning the truth, especially if its a bad news that the people can use to criticize their Communist authoritarian government
Photo credits to PCG & Sealight Foundation.
Obviously the damage was so severe due to the high speed of both Chinese ships, with the bow of the CCG ship destroyed in the process.
Now it is believed that these CCG personnel may have perished due to crushing, or fell off their ship because of the force.
A sign of potential missing CCG personnel can be seen by the movement of Chinese ships in the location of the accident, with several ships moving in grid which is a sign that they are searching for something, or someone, or several people.
Surprisingly, instead of stopping and assisting the CCG-3104, the CNS Guilin was said to continue its pursuit of BRP Suluan (MMRC-4406).
This only shows that people's lives, even of their own, is not important to them. Its just another sign why China has been very aggressive to others since they do not value life moreso those from other countries.
Until now China has not reported or mentioned anything about the accident in their news outlets or in their recent statement, which shows the control of flow of information in China to stop the Chinese populace from learning the truth, especially if its a bad news that the people can use to criticize their Communist authoritarian government
Photo credits to PCG & Sealight Foundation.
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Sal walks through the crash. But the more interesting part is Sal walking through UNCLOS (UN Convention on the Law of the Sea) as it applies to what happened here off Scarbarough Shoal.
What Chinese "fishing boats"are. (Not fishing boats)
What is the difference between the Chinese "Coast Guard" vs the Chinese Maritime Authority. (Hint, one is kind of a coast guard, and it isn't the one that sounds like it should be.)
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I was actually on Philippine television at the moment it happened on 11 August. I was updating Morning Matters host Gretchen Ho about China’s unusual deployment of coast guard ships around the northern Batanes Islands and its likely relationship to President Ferdinand Marcos’s statement this month that the Philippines would be unable to stay out of any war over Taiwan.
That seemed important at the time. And it was—until a China Coast Guard corvette and a destroyer of the Chinese navy collided in the South China Sea while pursuing a Philippine Coast Guard ship.
By the time I returned to my hotel room after the interview, the astonishing early videos of the event were already circulating around Manila and beyond.
This incident, while highly consequential in its own right (and tragic for the unknown number of China Coast Guard sailors who almost certainly were casualties of the event), becomes even more important when we set it in context. Here are eight things you need to know.
—This was a major escalation by China in an ongoing and increasingly high-stakes grey-zone war over the South China Sea. In past events, China had been content to let its paramilitary forces—its wolf-in-a-white-hull China Coast Guard and the little blue men of the maritime militia—take the lead in asserting China’s vast maritime claims. It had largely kept its grey-hulled military vessels, such as the destroyer in the collision, back at a distance so as to be detached (yet still menacing) from the blocking, swarming, water-cannoning and ramming, which it has normalised as ‘law enforcement’ measures over the past three years.
—This was the culmination of China’s 13-year takeover of Scarborough Shoal. The process that began in 2012 and accelerated starting in mid-2024 when it established a 45 km to 55 km exclusion zone around the shoal—a story which my organisation, SeaLight, first broke in May and which was confirmed by the Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative in June.
—This was a bellicose message that Beijing is no longer tolerating Philippine vessels approaching the shoal at all. This is despite the fact that Philippine fishing communities along the coast of Luzon have relied on the shoal for their livelihood for countless generations, and that a 2016 arbitral award—which China rejects but an increasing number of countries now affirm—unambiguously found that Beijing’s restrictions on this activity were unlawful.
—This was a reflection of Beijing’s growing maritime militancy. The behaviour of the Chinese destroyer, in particular, illustrates this fact. Not only did its captain, likely advised by the ship’s political officer, feel duty-bound to become directly involved in a law enforcement matter; he further continued the aggressive pursuit after the collision. This means that he prioritised keeping a single 44-metre Philippine Coast Guard vessel away from an uninhabited shoal—one which, until recently, the Philippine Coast Guard was allowed to approach regularly—over providing mutual support to a China Coast Guard ship and crew that had just suffered catastrophic damage, including likely casualties and personnel overboard.
—This was a reminder that the Philippine Coast Guard routinely faces extreme peril with impressive courage and professionalism. We have seen countless incidents since early 2023 that have illustrated this fact, but it cannot be stated too often. This may be the bravest coast guard on the planet today, and the scene in which the BRP Teresa Magbanua offered medical support to the very ship that had just been trying to run down its compatriots was inspiring.
—This was a testament to the plight of Philippines and the disintegration of the rules-based order that has kept the world relatively peaceful for the past 80 years. Much like a maritime Crimea in 2014, we have been watching a hostile imperial power carry out a maritime occupation of a smaller neighbour’s sovereign entitlements by means of paramilitary force, and still the world does not seem to have a good answer to how to counter grey-zone warfare.
—This was an illustration of the absurdity of Beijing’s state propagandists, who for four surreal days continued to demand that the Philippines bear responsibility for the incident and even demanded ‘compensation’. Yet at the same time they apparently did not have permission to admit why compensation might actually be owed. It wasn’t until 16 August that the first articles in the Chinese Global Times newspaper appeared admitting to a collision (which of course occurred only due to the heroism and restraint of the valiant Chinese crew—or something).
—This is a sobering reminder that China’s belligerence is bringing us perilously close to the brink. It’s really not hard to imagine how this could have gone in quite a different direction. Had the destroyer struck the much smaller Philippine ship instead of its own, how many Filipinos would have died? And if your coast guard ship is rammed by a destroyer while approaching a maritime feature that has essentially been stolen from you, does that constitute an armed attack?
https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/w...sion tells us about Chinas growing aggression
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Vietnam challenges Chinese dominance with new fortified Spratly island bases in South China Sea
Vietnam challenges Chinese dominance with new fortified Spratly island bases in South China Sea
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Get the feeling the punjab news is semi hard on Chinese power projection lately? Perhaps feeling a bit hard done by Washingtons tariffs. Nothing gets them more emotional than paying for something.
Japan supplies the aid at no cost for the Phillipines but they usually were going to scrap them as per their procurement/replacement regime.
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India is hard to comprehend anyway, especially the population.
Completely anti-Israel while every branch of their armed forces heavily depends on Israeli weapons to confront Pakistan who are a Chinese proxy and China itself.
Lukewarm on Europe even though they're the other major arms supplier to India.
Anti-American possibly through previous US support for Pakistan? If India thinks they can take on China by themselves they'll be in for a rude awakening. China is at least a decade (in some areas two) ahead of India in capability, technology, manufacturing and infrastructure.
Deep down I think they envy China and want to be just like them, but their independent hegemony isn't exactly there yet.
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Not “no cost” the Philippines will pay for the upgrades. So a scrap making more money for Japan, so a win win for both sides
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Desperate times call for beyond desperate measures. I'm hoping they'll also force the third best army in russia to train them how to do an air assault on an airbase after the great victory of Hostomel 
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Russia to equip and train China’s paratroopers for large airdrop ops tied to Taiwan
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China’s new missile brigades put Taiwan and U.S. Pacific bases in first-strike crosshairs
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How China waged an infowar against U.S. interests in the Philippines
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