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When the ayatollah hurts his toe he blames the Jews.
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Warfare HAMAS attack on Israel, Oct 2023 & Iran’s Proxies.
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Erdogan is a very vocal supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood, and the "distance" he tried to put between him and these groups isn't of his own initiative but the result of pressure from foreign actors, namely the EU, US and Russia.
In the past Ankara also provided material support for terror groups (such as Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, ETIM/TIP, Al Nusra, and others), which, in returned, provoked Israel to file a formal complaint to NATO as well as strong rejection from Germany regarding a hypothetical EU membership.
In 2015 or so, when it was being reported Khaled Mashaal was about to be expelled from Qatar, Mevlut Cavusoglu, the Turkish PM at the time) declared Khaled was welcome in Turkey.
Egypt found out Turkish MIT agents with ties to ISIS operating in Egypt.
I get it is a polarizing topic in Turkey, but this isn't a reason to burry one's head in the sand.
A significant portion of Turkey's society believed Erdogan's stance on Syria, and his policies, ultimately ended up emboldening and strengthening ISIS. Allowing ISIS foreign volunteers to use Turkey as a flow route was considered a justified mean to achieve the overthrowing of Assad. Claiming Islamists weren't allowed, through blind eyes, to procure equipment, supplies and training on the Turkish side of the border is, to put it mildly, revisionist at best.
Same goes with the links between the MIT and various groups such as Al-Nusra, Al-Sham and Turkmen minority groups in Syria.
Sure, the rationale could be that the Kurdish groups in Syria, themselves emboldened to overthrow Assad, were pumping the Kurdish groups in Turkey. Thus Turkey's support for ISIS would weaken the Kurds in both Syria and Turkey, which would eventually be a win for Erdogan.
Sure, one could also mention the fact Turkey opened its base in Incirlik as a kind of "hey look! we are fighting ISIS", though the effort is, at best, half-assed. And the reason why is because fully coming down on them would weaken Turkey's fight against the Kurds, PKK and such; since ISIS&cie is the back-bone of the effort preventing the Kurds to expand their enclave in Syria. having strong Kurds in Syria would lead to strengthened Kurds in Turkey. And the AKP does not want that.
So... yeah...
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Yesterday a 6 week old infant died of malnutrition in gaza. Did it have a congenital growth disorder?
And all of these kids in photos? Sounds like an insane cope
I for one aren't surprised that adults look more healthy than kids, since women are in a disadvantage when fighting for food, especially if they have little kids at home. Very well organised food deliveries...
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its called tit for tat policy. Since Israel supported Kurdish independence in 2017 Turkey choices to Hamas. We all know those are terrorists also erdo loves get muslim sympathy by barking to bibi
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Turkey fought ISIS directly and lost 89 soldiers in Operation Euphrates Shield, which played a major role in collapsing ISIS's territorial hold. Turkey also faced dozens of ISIS attacks at home, including in Istanbul, Ankara, Gaziantep, and others, with hundreds of civilians killed. The idea that Turkey supported a group that murdered its own citizens and took 46 Turkish consulate staff hostage in Mosul is simply absurd.
Operation Euphrates Shield - Wikipedia
Turkey–Islamic State conflict - Wikipedia
Many of the claims you're repeating are politically motivated. Russian accusations escalated after Turkey downed their jet. Egypt’s narratives come from the Sisi regime’s anger over Turkey’s support for democracy during the 2013 coup. Yet today, Turkey and Egypt have normalized relations, even signing defense and cooperation deals hardly what you'd expect from a "Muslim Brotherhood loyalist."
European discomfort has more to do with politics and strategic competition than terrorism. And the Kurdish YPG lobby continues to distort facts because Turkey rightly considers PKK-linked groups a threat.
As for Israel, Turkey’s vocal stance on Gaza has led to a smear campaign but that doesn’t make the accusations true.
Turkey isn't following anyone's script not the West’s, not Russia’s. It follows its own interests, seeks regional stability, and has made it clear through actions, not just words.
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And this promotes regional stability? Doesn't sound like it.
I get the self interest part, I believe that. But regional stability, we shall see.
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Regional stability doesn't come from sitting on the sidelines. It often requires decisive and yes, sometimes uncomfortable actions: securing borders, pushing back against terror groups like ISIS and the PKK, and preventing state collapse on Turkey’s doorstep.
Turkey stepped in where many others hesitated. Without its involvement, parts of Syria would likely have been carved up into weak, fragmented entities not by accident, but by design. Frankly, Israel’s vision of a fragmented Syria with mini Kurdish and Druze statelets in the south and northeast isn’t exactly a recipe for long-term peace either. That’s not stability that’s controlled chaos.
You don't have to like Turkey’s methods to recognize that chaos in Syria, Libya, or Iraq would be worse without Turkish involvement. In many cases, Turkey filled power vacuums that others ignored and prevented them from turning into long-term threats.
So yes, Turkey is acting in self-interest but in doing so, it's often preventing a much worse outcome. Stability isn't about pleasing everyone’s agenda. It's about avoiding full-blown collapse.
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Netanyahu’s statement risks undermining regional stability by justifying foreign intervention and escalating conflict. Such rhetoric weakens Syria’s territorial integrity and fuels further violence in the long run. Turkey will not remain silent on this matter. Turkey is not Iran.
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Doctors = Gaza Health Ministry = Hamas
Not saying no one is starving in Gaza, malnutrition has been a thing in the strip even before October 7th. Presenting it as some kind of ochestrated "famine" by Israel is complete shite though, aid is literally sat on the border as I showed, COGAT has done its job and it's now up to the UN to distribute it. IDF and GHF has said they'll escort the aid to where it needs to go, but they're refusing. Yet somehow, they want Hamas to escort the trucks? Isn't the UN supposed to be "neutral"?
Also that 14 year old is most likely suffering from some genetic disorder in the same way, these kids photographed are mostly sick for other reasons, not malnutrition, although that is perhaps part of the situation that they face, it's hard to tell. Hamas should probably agree to a ceasefire, so these people can get the help they need...
Something to note also btw, the photo of the Daily Express cover was taken by a journalist from Turkey's Anadolu Agency which are no stranger to fake news.
I stress, starvation doesn't discriminate, if there are starving children, there are starving adults as well. We know what actual manmade famine looks like, just take a look at any photos from the Holodomor.
Don't drink the Hamas kool aid, you're smarter than that.
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Don't go full ape-mode on minorities then?
It threatens Syria's territorial integrity? If that's the only way to prevent a genocide, then so be it.
Turkey will not remain silent? Ok, go ahead and yell all you want. But what happens in Syria is not Turkey's business, is it? Unless Turkey has vested interests in more ways than one? In addition to Turkey not minding HTS going back to their ISIS roots?
The Druze have been asking for help against HTS, they called for Israel to help, they even raised Israel flag to show they are eager to receive support from the Israeli.
But... Turkey is opposed to that? And, somehow, not "supporting" HTS or ISIS, though the gunmen we saw in videos executing civilians left and right were wearing ISIS flags.
A good HTS is a dead one.
A good ISIS is a dead one hosed down the sewer.
And their supporters should find a middle ground by being dead ones disposed in a barrel and forgotten in a dumping site.
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Maybe Jolani should reign his goons in and stop them shooting up hospitals and conducting summary executions in the street then? Israel has always been fiercely proud and protective of the Druze, if HTS at al play stupid games again, they will win more stupid prizes.
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You're right to point out that Turkey has tolerated and at times coordinated with HTS in parts of Idlib. But let’s not pretend this is about ideological alignment or support for extremism.
This is strategic pragmatism. Turkey is dealing with a highly fragmented war zone on its border, and HTS is the de facto power in certain areas of Syria. Completely confronting them militarily would risk millions of civilians flooding the Turkish border and destabilize an already fragile status quo.
Instead of collapsing the whole structure, Turkey has sought to contain and manage HTS, to prevent worse outcomes including renewed refugee flows and a resurgence of ISIS. It’s not a pretty solution, but in this environment, there are no clean options.
This doesn’t mean Turkey supports their ideology or long-term vision. It means Turkey is making tough choices in a chaotic landscape, while the rest of the world largely watches from afar.
Yes, some Druze groups have called for help but let’s be clear: raising an Israeli flag in a war zone doesn’t make foreign intervention legitimate or wise.
Turkey also supports protecting civilians but not at the cost of Syria’s territorial integrity or by empowering one armed faction against another. We've seen what that leads to: more chaos, more fragmentation, more extremism.
What you saw in those videos weren’t ISIS flags they were most likely the black flag bearing the seal of the Muhammad, which is commonly misidentified as an ISIS banner by people unfamiliar with regional symbols.
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No one is defending HTS crimes but using them as an excuse for foreign military action that violates Syria’s sovereignty is another matter entirely. If every armed group’s actions justified intervention, half the region would be fair game. Protecting civilians shouldn't mean redrawing borders or playing regional power games.
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Also how touching such concern for civilians hit in hospitals.
By that logic, maybe the Arab League should intervene militarily in Israel to protect the over 70,000 Gazans killed, many of them civilians, many of them children. Maybe they should also respond to entire hospitals bombed, and millions left without food, water, or medicine.
What a beautifully utopian world that would be.
By that logic, maybe the Arab League should intervene militarily in Israel to protect the over 70,000 Gazans killed, many of them civilians, many of them children. Maybe they should also respond to entire hospitals bombed, and millions left without food, water, or medicine.
What a beautifully utopian world that would be.
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If a woman doesn't get enough food, she can't feed her baby. If there is no baby formula to be found the baby dies. Thus the woman might survive malnutrition but her child won't.
Pretty basic stuff.
And as i mentioned, given how the food distribution is handled with different lines/checkpoints and then a scramble to run to the food; its a given that men would be stronger in this arena than women.
Now its a different thing to call it all fake news. That's Ok by me.
Hamas mouthpiece NBC on the ground in gaza hospital
NBC: Without baby formula, some infants in Gaza are facing a slow death
Without baby formula, some infants in Gaza are facing a slow death
NBC News visited a hospital in Gaza where infants are wasting away as malnutrition surges.
www.nbcnews.com
Is this fake news? Genuinely?
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It's already entered the strip, but it isn't being moved to where it needs to go because the UN is basically throwing a temper tantrum.
Again, not saying there isn't a problem with aid reaching some areas that need it, but the claim that aid is being blocked from entering Gaza is absolutely fake news.
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