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Warfare HAMAS attack on Israel, Oct 2023 & Iran’s Proxies.
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I'd treat the "X country only has 'n' of such missiles remaining" with A LOT of precautions...
Though Israel might have better intelligence on Iran's actual stockpile, conflicts in other parts of the world, let's say Ukraine, have proved estimates regarding what is in stock and its amount tend to be HIGHLY unreliable.
A lot of stuff got hit in Iran.
Iran fired a substantial amount in the past few days.
The amount of missiles and rockets fired is down.
That does not necessarily mean Iran is running out.
Though Israel might have better intelligence on Iran's actual stockpile, conflicts in other parts of the world, let's say Ukraine, have proved estimates regarding what is in stock and its amount tend to be HIGHLY unreliable.
A lot of stuff got hit in Iran.
Iran fired a substantial amount in the past few days.
The amount of missiles and rockets fired is down.
That does not necessarily mean Iran is running out.
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They're talking TELs, not missiles. Ammunition isn't worth anything when you can't shoot it and they've been hitting missile stockpiles as well.
The number of launches spiked on Saturday and has been going down ever since with the exception of yesterday and Iran seems to be using experimental and rare stuff more and more. Breaking out the Wunderwaffe imo. They're probably trying to preserve some TELs to use against US targets if only for propaganda effect and retain some deterrence factor.
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Enough is enough...
half off
2017
Netanyahu, in one of the height of his clashes with the European Union, went to the Visegrad countries to paralyze the EU's attempts to put pressure on Israel. In that conversation, as he alludes to in his autobiography, he apparently knew he was being recorded and did not fear (perhaps even wanted) it to be leaked to the media.
The Israeli arms show in Tehran not only humiliates European attempts to limit Israel, but should also encourage Israel to accelerate the bypassing-Europe ties it has already developed with Azerbaijan, India, and other countries - or alternatively, to condition any arms deal with Europe (which needs effective weapons against Russia after years of neglecting the defense industries) on a permanent cessation of pressure and attempts to dictate policy.
2017
Netanyahu, in one of the height of his clashes with the European Union, went to the Visegrad countries to paralyze the EU's attempts to put pressure on Israel. In that conversation, as he alludes to in his autobiography, he apparently knew he was being recorded and did not fear (perhaps even wanted) it to be leaked to the media.
- "From our experience, secure the borders. I am in favor of an open economy, in favor of bringing products from anywhere, but not people. We blocked the border with Egypt," Netanyahu said, adding other details:
- "Regarding the question about water (...) I don't know if that's true, others, here's what we have regarding the water situation here: we have less, an industrial sector, less rainfall than we've had in seventy years. Our gross national product has doubled much, much, much more. So (laughs) (...) we have a big water problem, (but) we don't have a big water problem.
- "We solved it with the following tools: we recycle 87 percent of our used water. Secondly (...) in Spain you'll see that (water recycling rate) 17 percent (....) So secondly, what is not accessible to most of you, we desalinate. Desalination of seawater is accessible to some of you, right? (Of the four countries, only Poland has an outlet to the sea)
- We have a strange situation. Yes, I have to say it (...) Europe, the European Union is (...) the only multinational organization in the world that conditions its relations with Israel, which produces technology in every field (laughs) OK? (...) on political conditions (referring to the peace process with the Palestinians)"
- "Modi came to Israel, and spent a few days here. He said: 'I want more water, clean water. Where will I get it, from Ramallah? (Laughs). No. I want more milk.' (Turning to the consultant who activated the presentation accompanying Netanyahu's remarks): Can you show them the milk. Which cow produces more milk? Who gives the most milk from one cow? That's an Israeli cow. Look at the European average, it's half of that."
- African countries come and go. The only ones who set conditions, who condition the agreements with Israel (...) What is it called (turning to one of the consultants) (...) The European Union Association Agreement with Israel, it is absolutely (...) I think it is crazy. I think it is actually crazy. And I am not talking about my interest, about the Israeli interest. I am talking about the interest of Europe.
- "The whole world is taking our technology, and on our side there is joy about the joint initiatives. Europe is against it. So my suggestion regarding this question (probably, the Palestinian issue): First of all, please help us and help Europe, in the association agreement or (in the agreement) 'Vision 2020'. All these things - milk, water, energy, autonomous vehicles, cyber - there is no limit to this, because you know that there are always limits regarding cyber, but we agreed to cooperate in this area as well. But in every area, health, every area (...)
- "So I think (...) if I may suggest, what comes out of this meeting is your ability to pressure your colleagues in other parts of Europe. Help Europe twice: once, do not weaken the only Western country that promotes European values and European interests, and prevent further mass migration to Europe. Then stop attacking Israel, and start supporting Israel"
- "Europe needs to decide whether it wants to live and prosper, or to disappear (...) I'm just (...) I'm not politically correct (...) I know it's a shock to say this (...) It's a joke (...) But the truth is the truth: Europe's security, Europe's economic future - these two concerns should lead to a change in policy towards Israel (...) Look at the Middle East, Europe ends in Israel, that's it. Europe ends in eastern Israel."
The Israeli arms show in Tehran not only humiliates European attempts to limit Israel, but should also encourage Israel to accelerate the bypassing-Europe ties it has already developed with Azerbaijan, India, and other countries - or alternatively, to condition any arms deal with Europe (which needs effective weapons against Russia after years of neglecting the defense industries) on a permanent cessation of pressure and attempts to dictate policy.
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Quite a bit complicated. Trump must carefully thread a needle between his "no new wars" base and the salivating neocons who are always looking for the next endless war. The non-negotiable part however, is no nukes for Iran.
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At this point I think the US handing over whatever bunker busting bomb the Israeli's need is there. But the limiting factor for Israel may be the delivery platform?
Is GBU-72 the heaviest thing the Israeli's can lift and drop from the F-15I?
I guess this article kicking around the MOP from a C-130 idea is timely.
www.twz.com
Is GBU-72 the heaviest thing the Israeli's can lift and drop from the F-15I?
I guess this article kicking around the MOP from a C-130 idea is timely.
Could Israeli C-130s Drop GBU-57 Massive Ordnance Penetrator Bunker Busters?
B-2s are the only aircraft that can employ MOPs to get at Iran's deepest facilities, but C-130s may be a viable option with a similar weapon.
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Cluster munitions on a populated area and the deliberate targeting of a hospital, monstrous.
Not just any hospital either, a super-hospital that in the event of a major incident can hold and treat patients from other parts of the country as well. Iran is making conditions so that more people die as a result of their attacks, a real terrorist regime.
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At this point I think the US handing over whatever bunker busting bomb the Israeli's need is there. But the limiting factor for Israel may be the delivery platform?
Is GBU-72 the heaviest thing the Israeli's can lift and drop from the F-15I?
I guess this article kicking around the MOP from a C-130 idea is timely.
Could Israeli C-130s Drop GBU-57 Massive Ordnance Penetrator Bunker Busters?
B-2s are the only aircraft that can employ MOPs to get at Iran's deepest facilities, but C-130s may be a viable option with a similar weapon.
GBU-72 or GBU-28 should be the heaviest thing they could drop, afaik.
Initially that's what was claimed to have been dropped on Nasrallah.
But using a C130 to drop anything is... meh... perhaps not the best idea.
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We're liberal democracies, the appropriate term is "Special Humanitarian Operations"!
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