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I suppose, from a legal pov that could be, indeed, interesting, yes.

To some (hugely broad) extent it could be as interesting as the current legal case against "roblox".

 

Hold on... wasn't there a movie made about it and why it is a bad idea?

Also, coming up next:

"UK Crime Prevention AI arrested for hate speech due to excessive arrest orders for migrants" -Reuters

 
A local council just won a court case, stopping the Government putting migrants into a hotel in their area. Government then announces this could be applied by every council. Rendering their policy of putting migrants into hotels all aver the country impossible. You cant make up where we currently are.

Next the Government needs more money, so wants to raise taxes, but it cant just raise income tax, because it promised not to(same for VAT), so it wants a new property tax. Of course this will be portrayed as a tax to pay for migrants.

And everyone is putting up England flags, and painting red crosses on white road markings, some local councils then taking down the england flags, due to Health and Safety, but not Palestinian flags, due to 'community relations'......

Some of you will know, but Thatcher was ousted because of the poll tax riot, which was because of a switch from Property tax for local services, into a per person tax.
 
Next the Government needs more money, so wants to raise taxes, but it cant just raise income tax, because it promised not to(same for VAT), so it wants a new property tax. Of course this will be portrayed as a tax to pay for migrants.

Since when are politicians tied to the promises they made? :D
 
Charles is woke, likely supported it due to this created bonding to the commonwealth only to have discovered that this is the level of civilization this idea would innevitably create. He has a big moat anyhow.
 
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France and the UK will or “might” be in civil wars in years to come, according to a scholar and well documented professor from the UK.

Yeah, I’m believing it. Trying to focus on England here, but these early stages of racial tensions, not too different in France where in near every fair, fest around the country it degenerate to a massive brawl, cars being torched… sometimes plain stabbings/murder.

The author of the paper gives five-ten more years before serious unrest, or as I said civil war in either or both countries.
 
France and the UK will or “might” be in civil wars in years to come, according to a scholar and well documented professor from the UK.

Yeah, I’m believing it. Trying to focus on England here, but these early stages of racial tensions, not too different in France where in near every fair, fest around the country it degenerate to a massive brawl, cars being torched.

The author of the paper gives five-ten more years before serious unrest, or as I said civil war in either or both countries.
France has already capitulated (as usual) 😒🤐
 
A civil war is unlikely in the UK. The minorities are still in single % More likely is a major change of voting habits in the next election.

Labour were elected mostly because the conservatives were unelectable.

Since then the right wing vote has been split with reform.

And now the labour vote and especially the muslim vote has been split with whatever Corbyn has called his party.

The best solution would be election deals between each side, current poles put Reform as the biggest party, but not a majority, a deal with conservatives and Northern Ireland MP's would probably get to a majority.

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Lots of talks about "civil war", yet people don't seem to really grasp what it takes for a "civil war" to happen.

Sure, the current political climate and policies favoring a demographics and disenfranchising another can create social tensions. There will be protests, there will be discontent, etc... but all these be quelled. As it is customary.

Some political groups will, may, might, back these movements of discontent and give them symbolic support. But it will not go farther than that, the commitment will not cross the threshold of words. Because actions have consequences and the consequences are severe. People in a position of power usually aren't desperate enough to take practical actions, they have things to lose: their position, their power, their career and political future. Without these they are useless.

Which is why they turn to cutting deals and creating coalitions. To maintain relevance and maintain a sense of "opposition", while it is nothing but broadly performative. It can block a few things here and there, but eventually it leads to the country stagnating, not being able to do anything meaningful. And if whoever is in power gets annoyed, they will simply use whatever executive power to force whatever they want to pass.

Bobby Mac Bobface and his friends however do not enjoy such privileges, but also are the actual ones suffering from the policies and the quelling of discontent. They don't have much to lose, but they don't necessarily want the little they have left to be taken away either.

People love talking about revolution and "civil war" until it is actually time to do revolution and "civil war" stuff. And when that time comes, well, let us just say they are on the AWOL list. Which won't stop them from running their mouth though.



Meanwhile, in the latest push to further divide the population, there is that "new idea" about inheritance with various liberal journalists suggesting banning inheritances, and vows for transfer of property of the deceased to the state to fund public services, is a good idea.

The logic is that no one should be eligible to receive wealth from relatives, and higher death taxes would foster meritocracy and work ethic and thus incentivize people to take more pride and joy in their work. Instead of just "inheriting stuff from mommy and daddy you did nothing to earn".

Which is a rather amusing thing to say, since generational wealth does play a huge role and factor in people's upbringing. Though stereotypical, a child from a rich family is more likely to evolve in an upper-level social surrounding, attend better schools, get presented with more favorable opportunities and a broader set of means to enrich oneself (materially, intellectually, morally, philosophically, etc...). On the other hand a child of a disenfranchised family is less likely to get access to these things.
Of course, there is always the odd one out where, the privileged one will just simply sit on his ass and enjoy what he believes is due of him; while the not privileged will try and do his best to surpass expectations and demark himself.


This follows UK’s government introduction of taxes on agricultural properties and equipment passed down to heir.
 
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A civil war is unlikely in the UK. The minorities are still in single % More likely is a major change of voting habits in the next election.

Labour were elected mostly because the conservatives were unelectable.

Since then the right wing vote has been split with reform.

And now the labour vote and especially the muslim vote has been split with whatever Corbyn has called his party.

The best solution would be election deals between each side, current poles put Reform as the biggest party, but not a majority, a deal with conservatives and Northern Ireland MP's would probably get to a majority.

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But the "winner takes it all" rule subverts the entire election
 
But the "winner takes it all" rule subverts the entire election
Think you mean first past the post - in what has been a 2 party race, it produces strong governments, rather than coalitions. Hence my point on deals, each area the left or right side should pick the strongest candidate, and withdraw the other. Then after the election form a left or right coalition.
 
Think you mean first past the post - in what has been a 2 party race, it produces strong governments, rather than coalitions. Hence my point on deals, each area the left or right side should pick the strongest candidate, and withdraw the other. Then after the election form a left or right coalition.

Coalitions, especially when done prior and/or during an election, are nothing but a feeble panic reaction in an attempt to deal with either your lack of confidence in your principles, and the inherent strength of these principles. It also shows a lack of confidence in your own voter base and a fear of others' (principles, programs, voter bases, power of persuasion, etc...).

Though, being ready and willing to dilute and compromise one's own goals to "defeat a common enemy" and "achieve a greater good" (no matter how subjective that may be), can also be seen as a sign of strength (since you are willing to sacrifice what you believe in). However the goal of an election isn't to look good, cool, courageous, etc... it isn't about "the party" and its image, or its perceived image.

So... Basically it can also be seen as fear, uncertainty and indecisiveness. And also a lack of purpose, since you are acknowledging you are not able to do the job to begin with.
 
Reform UK result represents a polar civil flip. Look at Canada and Aussie both controlled by the handout govt's and debt pile. For the average Joe its hard to vote for sobriety. It takes a real hangover before Joe thinks his consumption of BS is harming him.
 
Reform UK result represents a polar civil flip. Look at Canada and Aussie both controlled by the handout govt's and debt pile. For the average Joe its hard to vote for sobriety. It takes a real hangover before Joe thinks his consumption of BS is harming him.
If trump delivers jobs/growth etc over the next 3 years, it will become a blueprint for the right. I also think trump will push for this. He has roots in Scotland, and loves the royals.
 
If trump delivers jobs/growth etc over the next 3 years, it will become a blueprint for the right. I also think trump will push for this. He has roots in Scotland, and loves the royals.

It will, or may, become a blueprint indeed. Not just for the right but for any party willing to achieve that kind of result, though yes, it is more in line with the right than the left.

However, we are back to what plagues European countries: the sheer number of political parties and their inherent lack of stability.

Trump is able to do what he does because he got elected (duh), but aside from the obvious "winning the elections", it is also thanks to the two parties system. It is "either - or", there are no coalitions of convenience.
The US has a minority and a majority (though the difference between the two is slim), but there are no constellation of minorities.
 

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