Politics BLM protests across the US

[Chazman]

Well, that escalated quickly. On the bright side, I'm using this as an excuse to get a new Galil ACE in 7.62x51. 10 25 round mags came yesterday. Not that I need an excuse but it helps me sleep at night.

I'm sure the newly liberated citizens are happy with their new leaders.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

Remember when the Libyan or Syrian war kicked off, we would post these maps showing where government forces lost control to rebels?

Didn't think we would do the same here.

There is that, but also the vocabulary used:
-commune.
-speech areas.
-political center.
-designated fields.

 

[HisRoyalHighness]

There is that, but also the vocabulary used:
-commune.
-speech areas.
-political center.
-designated fields.

Don't forget Regime.

That was and still is a popular one.

 

[Musashi]

Al-Londonistan (the part deserving this name the most) at its best again:

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[riderboy]

It's pretty clear how utterly insane the Democrat Party has become in this country. Not that we needed any more evidence.

 

[TheKiwi]

I'm still not convinced that passing a fake US$20 note (especially in an environment as full of dodgy currency as the US) should be punished by death.

 

[colin traveller]

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[riderboy]

I'm still not convinced that passing a fake US$20 note (especially in an environment as full of dodgy currency as the US) should be punished by death.

Of course not. I think that is the one thing we can all agree on. Like every great clusterfuck, multiple elements are at play. 1.) Floyd breaks the law and the cops are called. 2.) Floyd resists arrest and will not get in the police car. 3.). Office Chauvin, who should have never been on the force in the first place, decides to show the rookies how it's done, one of whom tells him twice to get off Floyds neck. 4.). Floyd becomes unresponsive, Chauvin fails to recognize that he is not breathing. 5.) Apparently no one knew how to do effective CPR, this sounds like an eminently resuscitable case to me. And Floyd dies.

"A new study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences demolishes the Democratic narrative regarding race and police shootings, which holds that white officers are engaged in an epidemic of racially biased shootings of black men. It turns out that white officers are no more likely than black or Hispanic officers to shoot black civilians. It is a racial group’s rate of violent crime that determines police shootings, not the race of the officer. The more frequently officers encounter violent suspects from any given racial group, the greater the chance that members of that racial group will be shot by a police officer. In fact, if there is a bias in police shootings after crime rates are taken into account, it is against white civilians, the study found."

There Is No Epidemic of Racist Police Shootings | National Review

A new study debunks a common myth.

www.nationalreview.com

 

[TheKiwi]

People need to be aware that when they agitate for a particular law or rule, the ultimate result of that law/rule can be the police killing someone to enforce it. Eric Garner died in New York from a choke hold put on him for the crime of bringing in untaxed tabacco. I'm sure that makes the anti-smoking crowd very happy.

Petty laws and petty people enforcing them who have the right to use lethal force do not make a good combination.

 

[Sideline]

People need to be aware that when they agitate for a particular law or rule, the ultimate result of that law/rule can be the police killing someone to enforce it. Eric Garner died in New York from a choke hold put on him for the crime of bringing in untaxed tabacco. I'm sure that makes the anti-smoking crowd very happy.

Petty laws and petty people enforcing them who have the right to use lethal force do not make a good combination.

I'm not up on the details, but sounds like you are... The police officer put a choke hold on him for untaxed tobacco? Usually in the USA, there is some kind of escalation by the perp during the encounter that causes the Officer of the law to have to escalate keep control of the situation. I guess it's possible that the officer could have immediately went for the choke hold.... I wonder if the officer even said anything to Eric Garner or he just walked up and started choking him? I suppose you know. If so that is a bad officer.

My thought in general.... don't be a criminal, and don't fight the police when you get caught.
I do agree, that laws should not be made if not to be enforced.
Things do escalate beyond the passing of counterfeit bills and untaxed tobacco ……..to use them as general examples.

 

[TheKiwi]

I do believe that Eric Garner mouthed off at the police officers. He certainly didn't try to run away, dude was majorly fat.

Dead for mouthing off and selling untaxed tabacco. Sounds proportionate.

 

[Sideline]

I'm still not convinced that passing a fake US$20 note (especially in an environment as full of dodgy currency as the US) should be punished by death.

Who do you know that doe's think that??

 

[Sideline]

I do believe that Eric Garner mouthed off at the police officers. He certainly didn't try to run away, dude was majorly fat.

Dead for mouthing off and selling untaxed tabacco. Sounds proportionate.

Well then it must have been a bad cop that choked him for his own ego.....NOT murdered for untaxed tobacco.
Cops are people, and some people do bad things. Bad apples, the exception not the rule.
Thanks for the information.

 

[TheKiwi]

I agree that bad people do bad things including bad cops. One of the things that the protests are about is the significant difficulties that the current systems put in place to prevent bad people from being cops, and/or removing them from that role once it becomes apparent.

Things like the police unions making it all but impossible to remove "bad apples". Things like qualified immunity that make it difficult to get restitution from the "bad apples" police force, no matter how bad the behaviour.

 

[Sideline]

I agree that bad people do bad things including bad cops. One of the things that the protests are about is the significant difficulties that the current systems put in place to prevent bad people from being cops, and/or removing them from that role once it becomes apparent.

Things like the police unions making it all but impossible to remove "bad apples". Things like qualified immunity that make it difficult to get restitution from the "bad apples" police force, no matter how bad the behaviour.

Then I believe that those issues should be looked at seriously, not this circus that is going on now.
Reforms yes, idiocy NO.

And I do not believe that replacing the cops with social justice social workers is the answer.
And lets be clear, any reforms needed by the police force is not motivated my Racism against the black man.

So in short it all seem really disingenuous to me, especially for such a serious and important subject for all the citizens of all races of the US of A.

 

[Sideline]

I'm still not convinced that passing a fake US$20 note (especially in an environment as full of dodgy currency as the US) should be punished by death.

You can stop trying to convince yourself, It's SHOULD NOT BE, and it's not.
You heard it from me, take it to the bank. lol
have a good night Kiwi.

 

[Chazman]

People need to be aware that when they agitate for a particular law or rule, the ultimate result of that law/rule can be the police killing someone to enforce it. Eric Garner died in New York from a choke hold put on him for the crime of bringing in untaxed tabacco. I'm sure that makes the anti-smoking crowd very happy.

Petty laws and petty people enforcing them who have the right to use lethal force do not make a good combination.

So what do you suggest? It's not the untaxed cigarettes or the counterfeit money, it's the escalation in trying to maintain control in a situation with an uncooperative person. I agree, if the situation escalates the perpetrator doesn't deserve to die in the scuffle, but I also don't think the police ought to say, oh he not cooperating, lets just walk away.

 

[riderboy]

I do believe that Eric Garner mouthed off at the police officers. He certainly didn't try to run away, dude was majorly fat.

Dead for mouthing off and selling untaxed tabacco. Sounds proportionate.

I agree, I don't know the details of his case. In our country of 350 million we had 9 unarmed black men shot to death by police in 2019. 9. One of those I know had a record of shooting at police and claimed he had a gun. Michael Brown, the "Gentle Giant" killed in Ferguson Missouri in 2013 is still referred to the unarmed black man shot and killed by a white policeman in news accounts. Technically correct, but he was shot trying to steal the officers weapon. According to the investigation afterward. This number doesn't include deaths that result from other causes like George Floyd, but the image of white cops continuously gunning down unarmed black men is not supported by the data.

The numbers don’t support BLM claims about the police

Are black lives in danger due to “systemic racism” in American policing? Are “black and brown bodies” under systematic assault by white racists? The numbers from recent year…

www.powerlineblog.com

 

[Dercius]

So what do you suggest? It's not the untaxed cigarettes or the counterfeit money, it's the escalation in trying to maintain control in a situation with an uncooperative person. I agree, if the situation escalates the perpetrator doesn't deserve to die in the scuffle, but I also don't think the police ought to say, oh he not cooperating, lets just walk away.

Nobody is saying that police has to run away with the tail between their legs when facing a hard situation with non cooperative suspects.
Just saying that, there are efficient ways of subdueing, handcuffing and throwing someones sorry ass in the backseat of a police car, and absolutely retarded ways of throwing your career down the gutter, killing the suspect, and earning you a life sentence at a jail where everybody knows you are a former cop.
A different approach to a kind of daily situation for every mid size city police department around the world, suspect non cooperative when arrested, would have ended very differently. But here you have as per most reports, a whacko who shouldnt have been in the force in the first place as the most senior on scene with some rookies.... Open your eyes, Im only going to do it once...This is how its done!!!

Just my opinion

 

[Chazman]

Nobody is saying that police has to run away with the tail between their legs when facing a hard situation with non cooperative suspects.
Just saying that, there are efficient ways of subdueing, handcuffing and throwing someones sorry ass in the backseat of a police car, and absolutely retarded ways of throwing your career down the gutter, killing the suspect, and earning you a life sentence at a jail where everybody knows you are a former cop.
A different approach to a kind of daily situation for every mid size city police department around the world, suspect non cooperative when arrested, would have ended very differently. But here you have as per most reports, a whacko who shouldnt have been in the force in the first place as the most senior on scene with some rookies.... Open your eyes, Im only going to do it once...This is how its done!!!

Just my opinion

I actually feel bad for the rookies in training. Their lives are completely destroyed and may not have even realized what was happening by the guy who was supposed to be training them. But I agree that some other methods are needed to subdue uncooperative suspects.