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I actually feel bad for the rookies in training. Their lives are completely destroyed and may not have even realized what was happening by the guy who was supposed to be training them. But I agree that some other methods are needed to subdue uncooperative suspects.
In the UK, Police don't normally carry a firearm. But most now carry a baton, and CS/pepper spray, AND a Tazer. Tazer is an American weapon, but it doesn't seem to get mentioned in these incidents. I've never heard of UK Police using a chokehold, and I'm only familiar with that term from Wrestling etc.

I'm just wondering if the use of the chokehold, is based on keeping the officers hands free, so if suddenly the suspect pulls a gun, the officer can pull his? Probably hard to do if your gun hand is already holding a Tazer? It seems US police like to be physical? To dominate? I'm not sure that's a good idea.

Also Note, that the UK police, use Armed Response, so one car 2 officers, in every City, will be armed, they will have all of the above, plus a pistol, plus a 5.56 assault rifle, each. so when you see them, they are carrying more than an infantry man. Also with a very nice vehicle, used to be Volvo, now mainly BWM X5, and they can and will still stop you for speeding etc.
 
One thing is made apparent by this crisis though.

Seeing how out of control some big cities in some states are, and how the common denominator between all of them is "Democrat Governor + Democrat Mayor", it made obvious weak their leadership is.
Well "weak" in a best case scenario, several examples in fact show a lack of leadership.
 
One thing is made apparent by this crisis though.

Seeing how out of control some big cities in some states are, and how the common denominator between all of them is "Democrat Governor + Democrat Mayor", it made obvious weak their leadership is.
Well "weak" in a best case scenario, several examples in fact show a lack of leadership.

Well defining leadership is'nt so clear cut: it's about getting others to follow you to your objectives. Talking tough but not achieving much is'nt leadership either. It is'nt simple to return to normal. Mistakes are made.

Obviously the events that took place are more acute in large cities, and common denominator is that Republicans are good in smaller towns and states. They hold only one city of more than one million inhabitants: San Diego. And it's at the end of the list.

Only six out of 34 cities of more than 500000 inhabitants are held by Republicans. Even in Texas: Dallas and Houston are controlled by democrats.

So maybe the answer is more that Democrats have much more responsibilities and some mistakes are made.

 
The "Wonder Boy" Minneapolis Mayor is going to "wonder" where all the jobs and tax revenue went. What a whiney little bitch.


From Bizpacreview

“They don’t care about my business. They didn’t protect our people. We were all on our own,” Wyrobek told the Tribune. “The fire engine was just sitting there, but they wouldn’t do anything. That’s the frustrating thing to us.”

Democratic Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz said the city’s response to the rioting was an “abject failure,” the Tribune reported. Democratic Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey echod Walz’s response, claiming the city was overwhelmed.

“We were on our own those first few nights. There were simply more people destroying property, more people setting fires, than any city government could respond to at once,” Frey said.

Frey has a news conference scheduled for Monday to announce the development of a group of business and community leaders to advise the city on rebuilding efforts, according to the Tribune.

Wyrobek said it’s “too late” to keep his company in Minneapolis, the move will take about 50 jobs with it, the Tribune reported.

 
Yeah, things are doing so great for that brand new commune thingy...

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In the UK, Police don't normally carry a firearm. But most now carry a baton, and CS/pepper spray, AND a Tazer. Tazer is an American weapon, but it doesn't seem to get mentioned in these incidents. I've never heard of UK Police using a chokehold, and I'm only familiar with that term from Wrestling etc.

I'm just wondering if the use of the chokehold, is based on keeping the officers hands free, so if suddenly the suspect pulls a gun, the officer can pull his? Probably hard to do if your gun hand is already holding a Tazer? It seems US police like to be physical? To dominate? I'm not sure that's a good idea.

Also Note, that the UK police, use Armed Response, so one car 2 officers, in every City, will be armed, they will have all of the above, plus a pistol, plus a 5.56 assault rifle, each. so when you see them, they are carrying more than an infantry man. Also with a very nice vehicle, used to be Volvo, now mainly BWM X5, and they can and will still stop you for speeding etc.

I don't know much about tactical de-escalation theory that should be used instead of, prior to, "dominating", but I'm pretty sure that it's important for a police officer to have implied authority, to exude "being in charge". Here in the USA anymore, most people don't have ANY respect for ANY authority, and simply will not comply. Everyone wants a gimme, a time-out, a do-over, an exception.. Once we've reached a stage where that is common, are we reasonably expecting an authority to still hold to kindness, social banter, and give and take during a "contact".

As to weaponry: One car per city here with an Armed Response team ain't going to cut it. On top of that, we've got pressure from the "kindness" people to take long rifles and "military" equipment away from the police in general.
 
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Apology Lunch ... seen it all now .
 
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Yeah, it looks the notion of defunding the police is not taking hold even in liberal cities. In short, this will happen only if some police responsibilities, for example like responding to overdose calls will be taken over by a different organization. here is how backtracking looks like:

‘Defund the police’: Advocates say it means reimagining policing, not getting rid of it

But the rapid rise of “defund” ideas comes in the middle of a presidential campaign, widespread unrest and a pandemic that has the nation’s anxieties in overdrive. Its advocates worry that the timing leaves the concept vulnerable to attack for what they insist it’s not — eliminating police departments.

“No one’s talking about a situation where tomorrow, there’s some magical switch and there are no police,” Alex Vitale, a sociology professor at Brooklyn College and author of “The End of Policing,” told CNN. “It’s hard to reduce these ideas down to a cardboard sign or a tweet.

“We’re talking about looking at our gross over-reliance on policing and searching in every possible way to replace that with alternatives designed to build up people, to build up communities rather than criminalizing them,” Vitale said.

Nevertheless, “‘defund the police’ is a terrible phrase,” George Lakoff, the retired UC Berkeley professor who has long been a messaging guru to Democrats and progressive groups, told The Chronicle. “You need the police. It’s irresponsible (to use it) because you’re not going to take away the police.”

The challenge, Lakoff said, is “that it takes several sentences to explain.”

The concept generally refers to shrinking police responsibility and delegating some of law enforcement’s duties to other experts — for example, having social workers respond to homelessness complaints or health care workers handle people with substance abuse issues.

Fearful of diving into unknown political waters, many Democratic politicians — even those leading the call for reforms — are backing away from the phrase, if not the concept.

That list starts with Biden, who spent much of his career boasting of his support for the 1994 federal crime bill that put 100,000 more police officers on the street. Last year, he said some of it was successful, some wasn’t. He told CBS on Monday that, “No, I don’t support defunding the police. I support conditioning federal aid to police based on whether or not they meet certain basic standards of decency and honorableness.”

New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker said on “Meet the Press” that “it’s not a slogan I will use,” even though he said he agreed with the “sentiment and substance” of it and encouraged people not to “dismiss it” just because of its name.


Sen. Kamala Harris, who co-sponsored federal police reform legislation with Booker this week, parried the question from interviewer Meghan McCain on ABC’s “The View,” asking her, “How are you defining ‘defund the police?’”

The California Democrat said that “we need to reimagine how we are achieving public safety in America” so that cities aren’t spending “one-third of their budgets” on the police.

Similarly, Gov. Gavin Newsom said Tuesday in Oakland that he did not support defunding departments if it meant “eliminating” police. Instead, he preferred “reimagining” law enforcement.


In San Francisco, Chief Scott said Monday that he was willing to defund a portion of his department’s budget in response to calls for reform.

“We’re at a time in policing in this country where the whole world is speaking to us, and we need to hear what’s being said,” Scott said during an online forum hosted by the Alice B. Toklas LGBT Democratic Club. “And what’s being said is we have to change the way we do policing in this country. And I think, for me, I’m open to that.”
 
I don't know much about tactical de-escalation theory that should be used instead of, prior to, "dominating", but I'm pretty sure that it's important for a police officer to have implied authority, to exude "being in charge". Here in the USA anymore, most people don't have ANY respect for ANY authority, and simply will not comply. Everyone wants a gimme, a time-out, a do-over, an exception.. Once we've reached a stage where that is common, are we reasonably expecting an authority to still hold to kindness, social banter, and give and take during a "contact".

As to weaponry: One car per city here with an Armed Response team ain't going to cut it. On top of that, we've got pressure from the "kindness" people to take long rifles and "military" equipment away from the police in general.
The UK Police will try to 'engage' as a first choice, and seen them be very patient with some people who had been asked to leave a bar. But also saw a video, guy with a sword, one talks, but covering the second officer, getting his tazer out, and no messing, a good zap. So whilst there is a polite exterior, I still wouldn't mess with UK Police. I would say they have improved equipment and tactics. Any deaths etc are investigated, by an independent, and the officer is liable for his actions. 'Reasonable belief' is applied in UK, so guy with a gun etc, can be shot, and are.
 
Yeah, it looks the notion of defunding the police is not taking hold even in liberal cities. In short, this will happen only if some police responsibilities, for example like responding to overdose calls will be taken over by a different organization. here is how backtracking looks like:

‘Defund the police’: Advocates say it means reimagining policing, not getting rid of it


Oof!

That's some heavy duty damage control right there!

When we say "defund", we don't really and literally mean "defund". We mean something very different and nuanced.
 
Just been offered a vegan electricity deal, for the house......No I didn't look further, no I'm not...….
I had to have a look:

Vegan energy is the production of electricity or gas that doesn’t involve the use of animals or animal by-products.

There are two main sources of non-vegan energy generation in the UK: anaerobic digestion (AD), and biomass. Both AD and biomass energy production can contain by-products of animal farming – like factory-farmed livestock, slaughterhouse waste, fish parts, and animal slurry.
 
Bad cops are bad cops.

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Thanks for posting, the MSM probably will be showing this non-stop soon. At the very least this should make this thread blow up in concern.

haha, not holding my breath.

notice how the old man is holding what looks to be food (casual), he seems confused by the situation.
The old man complies but in doing so gives his slapping hand a kiss and slowly and gently complies with the officer.

***ESCALATION***
Now the officer has an excuse to escalate too.

The officers slap looks REAL and FORCEFUL, and I do believe contradictory to what the officer said the old man was arrested.

This is in TEXAS, an "oppressed black man" in a position of authority, has a badge and he is dealing HIS justice to some OLD WHITE MAN.
All while another BLACK man helps and a WHITE man watches.

This is not a fight for equality that is going on today.

Just my .o2
 
A lot of people were praying for officer Mikalonas, but the situation looks very tough.


Hopefully there already is a gofundme campaign to support that poor 20 years old Samianego.
 
Bad cops are bad cops.

Been up 5 days with 35 views. Gee I wonder why this isn't getting millions of views after having been shown in the MSM for days on end ...

Yeah, things are doing so great for that brand new commune thingy...

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Sounds like someone is being sexually harassed. If only there were people you could call to handle this kind of situation ?
 
Been up 5 days with 35 views. Gee I wonder why this isn't getting millions of views after having been shown in the MSM for days on end ...

Looks to be a rehost of an older story. The original is here with nearly 3/4 of a million views -
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