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Politics BLM protests across the US

Body cams are a good idea, unfortunately even though Chauvin knew he was being videotaped he was so poorly trained and/or uncaring he failed to realize he was killing George Floyd.
Makes you wonder just how much more divided the US will become when it goes to court and you see all the footage

Do you think he will get a token sentence - or the whole 9 yards?
 
Makes you wonder just how much more divided the US will become when it goes to court and you see all the footage

Do you think he will get a token sentence - or the whole 9 yards?

Most cases in the US never make it into court, but end in a plea bargain. That is how most officers also get off so lightly. I'm guessing that due to political considerations this one will go to court.
 
This comes from https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/ - It doesn't strike me as being completely unbiased, as it seems to focus on Police Violence...

Police killed 1,098 people in 2019

This seems interesting:

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Then I went to the Guardian, also not unbiased, and their data is a little old, but for Dec 2016 85 people were killed, mostly men.

When you filter the 85, to unarmed you are left with 7.

then I found statista - seems more balanced, see below, so yes more white people appear to be killed than black. But if we take the stats on population, Blacks are about 13% of the population, white 55%

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Then I went to ODMP

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So my conclusions, and others will form their own, is people of any colour usually lose in a 'gunfight' with police. Not too surprising, the officer is trained, will have fired a good number of rounds, will have zeroed his weapon.

The vast majority of people, of any colour that were 'killed' by the police were armed.

As an unarmed black person, there is a slightly increased chance, above the average, to be killed by a police officer. The increase is not very much, but should be reviewed by state or city and dealt with.

For the UK the death in custody (Daily mail data)Of these 163 deaths: 140 were white, 13 were black and 10 were from other minority groups, commented as Blacks being twice as likely to die.

Contrasting the UK to USA, usa seems to have 1000 deaths for 300M people, the UK 163 for 65M, so roughly the USA rate is double the UK rate, but I would struggle to see that the excess in USA is lots of unarmed black men(mostly).

Please forgive my random sources, and approximations.

It's all very misleading. There is a much more higher crime rate among the US black population, so it stands to reason that there will be much more (in relative terms) police interaction with the black people, than with the white people - higher probability of police violence, abuse, shooting etc. This whole thing gets really complicated.
 
While i do not believe in systematic racism in the American Police force, i do believe there is a prevalence of police brutality and intimidation along with individual occurrences of racism...
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They might not happen all the time but they happen enough, take out the police immunity and it would go a long way.

Love this reply though...
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It's all very misleading. There is a much more higher crime rate among the US black population, so it stands to reason that there will be much more (in relative terms) police interaction with the black people, than with the white people - higher probability of police violence, abuse, shooting etc. This whole thing gets really complicated.
I would say complex, but having grabbed some figures, I'd say its hard to justify that there is a systemic gross bias against black people, which appears to be the main claim of some of the protests.

And if there is a higher crime rate among blacks, then its armed crime, and any Police officer, in any country will shoot any person, of any colour pointing a gun at them. So best advice for any son, is don't wave a gun at the cops.
 
I was using google for finding the crime statistics of the USA and I only had a look at official numbers of the FBI and the BJS. I never trust NGO data........Unfortunately I only found the 2000-2006 numbers for the "death in custody" cases, so I compared them to the 2006 FBI statistics. (please follow the links)

I am not a statistician, nor a criminologist, but I can't see any indication of "racism" being the cause of a predominance of black Americans in the death in custody numbers.

As Fluff said, African Americans are overrepresented in the violent crime numbers, so it is quite natural that they are also overrepresented in the "police violence" numbers.


 

Damn these illegal militias that are preventing us from looting as we see fit.
 
Khan at his best:
London mayor orders review of all statues


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Turn your capital into the Third World, so that will happen.
 
Isn't mister Khan from a country where slavery is still practiced?



*my photo op is better than yours*
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Also, I wonder why Jerry Nadler didn't kneel...
 
Khan at his best:
London mayor orders review of all statues


Sent via @updayUK
Turn your capital into the Third World, so that will happen.
Maybe he could focus his attention on the slave markets/ human traffickers currently in operation in Libya and elsewhere.

 
It's all very misleading. There is a much more higher crime rate among the US black population, so it stands to reason that there will be much more (in relative terms) police interaction with the black people, than with the white people - higher probability of police violence, abuse, shooting etc. This whole thing gets really complicated.

Why is crime rates higher among black population?

It has something to do with their DNA?

Or with chance they have to find good job, to receive proper education.

13%(or so) of population and 40% of lost jobs in last 2 months.
 
Why is crime rates higher among black population?

It has something to do with their DNA?

Or with chance they have to find good job, to receive proper education.

13%(or so) of population and 40% of lost jobs in last 2 months.

You don't actually contradict the point I was making. Yes, this is most probably true that relatively high crime rates in the black communities have a lot to do with complex historical, economical and social problems, which put those communities at a very significant disadvantage compared to all other. And you still don't need an actual police racism in order to explain why the black community suffers more from police violence (in relative terms).

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To get a bit of more nuanced perspective on those issues:
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You don't actually contradict the point I was making. Yes, this is most probably true that relatively high crime rates in the black communities have a lot to do with complex historical, economical and social problems, which put those communities at a very significant disadvantage compared to all other. And you still don't need an actual police racism in order to explain why the black community suffers more from police violence (in relative terms).

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Yes, I believe you are correct. AG Barr said that school choice is the new Civil Rights movement in his view. Giving urban kids stuck in sh*t schools with sh*t teachers a choice about which school they want to attend. Without that all is lost. Standing in the way, the Teacher's Unions, a huge donor to the Democrat Party.....Under Trump, pre-Covid African American unemployment was the lowest it has been in history. He's also massively boosted funding for black Universities and Colleges.
 
While i do not believe in systematic racism in the American Police force, i do believe there is a prevalence of police brutality and intimidation along with individual occurrences of racism...
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They might not happen all the time but they happen enough, take out the police immunity and it would go a long way.

Love this reply though...
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Interesting. Why don't you clean up the sh*t on your side of the Planet first?

 
Interesting. Why don't you clean up the sh*t on your side of the Planet first?

Really and here I thought you are against international sources, but hey we have drug war on going. Nevertheless, it doesnt change the issue in the US... the main difference is the majority of the people here approve and see the actions of the police as legit encounters, so you have something we dont, massive protests against the cops. Maybe because though our coppers are killers when it comes to the drug war, they tend to be borderline harmless to civilians. You will see far more videos of our cops being verbally assaulted by civilians for giving them a ticket, than a copper beating your ass cause you said something.* We also have checks and balances***

* when your cops are so corrupt that they prefer to be harmless than to lose a good gig :)
** Cops who killed a teenager all got 40 years.
*** They have no immunity and we have a rabid Human Rights Commission and theres also the SPARU (Sparrow) unit by the communist rebels that shots cops dead when they go out of line... this is also why your talks about ANTIFA as a terror org is a laughable joke for most outsiders. :))
 
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Why call themselves Redneck revolt .. is the idea to give the impression to people who aren't fully clued up of who they really are ..

Is that the Media would possibly portray them as Trump voters that are W.S ????? Rednecks is often to describe folks From certain states .. of the South ..
 
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