Politics BLM protests across the US

[colin traveller]

Meanwhile in Chicago

92 shot, 27 fatally, in Chicago's most violent weekend of 2020

More than half of the weekend's victims were shot on Sunday as the city reeled from violent protests Saturday night that led to hundreds of arrests and the implementation of a curfew.

abc7chicago.com

 

[HisRoyalHighness]

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This is less of a movement opposing police brutality and more of a cult.

Fortunately, most of the silent majority will not bow down to the Cult of St. Floyd, the Martyr.

 

[Chazman]

Meanwhile in Chicago

92 shot, 27 fatally, in Chicago's most violent weekend of 2020

More than half of the weekend's victims were shot on Sunday as the city reeled from violent protests Saturday night that led to hundreds of arrests and the implementation of a curfew.

abc7chicago.com

Oh, move along now. That is just black on black violence. No money or political power to be had by the woke people here.

 

[berkut76]

Don't really know what's going on here. Neither antifa nor white supremacist, but appears to be an anti-government nut.

Santa Cruz County Deputy Killed in Ambush Attack, Suspect Is Air Force Sergeant

The FBI and local investigators are trying to determine a possible link between the ambush-style killing of a Northern California sheriff's deputy Saturday night and that of a federal officer who was fatally shot outside the U.S. courthouse in Oakland more than a week ago.

The FBI office in San Francisco confirmed Sunday its investigators were working with the Santa Cruz County Sheriff’s Department to determine a possible motive and links to other crimes committed in the San Francisco Bay Area, including the attack that killed a Federal Protective Service officer and critically wounded another officer on May 29. Both involved shooters in a van.

An active-duty U.S. Air Force sergeant has been arrested on suspicion of fatally shooting Santa Cruz Sheriff's Sgt. Damon Gutzwiller, 38, and wounding two other officers Saturday.

Santa Cruz County Sheriff Jim Hart said Gutzwiller was a beloved 14-year veteran of the force.

“There’s a hole in all of our hearts now." he said at a vigil Sunday that drew more than a thousand mourners.

On Saturday, deputies responded to a 911 call around 1:30 p.m. about a suspicious van in Ben Lomond, an unincorporated area near Santa Cruz. The caller said there were guns and bomb-making devices inside, Hart said.

When deputies arrived, the van pulled away and the deputies followed. The van went down a driveway at a home, and the deputies were ambushed by gunfire and explosives after getting out of their vehicle.

Gutzwiller was wounded and later died at a hospital. Another deputy was wounded by gunfire or shrapnel and struck by a vehicle as the suspect fled. A third officer from the California Highway Patrol was shot in his hand, Hart said.

The suspect, 32-year-old Steven Carrillo, attempted a carjacking and was shot during his arrest, Hart said. He was being treated at the hospital for non-life-threatening injuries. The injured deputy was listed in stable condition on Sunday.

Carrillo will be charged with first-degree murder, Hart said.


Carrillo had arrived at Travis Air Force Base, 50 miles (81 kilometers) northeast of San Francisco, in June 2018 and was a member of the 60th Security Forces Squadron, a base spokesman said.

Carrillo’s wife, Monika Leigh Scott Carrillo, who was also in the Air Force, was found dead in an off-base hotel in May 2018 while she was stationed in South Carolina. She was 30. Her death was investigated by the Sumter County Sheriff’s Office, in coordination with the Air Force Office of Special Investigations, and ruled a suicide, according to the Air Force.

The FBI has been trying to identify a suspect and motive in the drive-by shooting outside the Ronald V. Dellums Federal Building that killed Dave Patrick Underwood, 53, and critically injured a fellow officer. They had been monitoring a nearby protest over the death of George Floyd.

Surveillance cameras captured a white Ford van believed to be driven by the shooter or shooters. The FBI said the vehicle did not appear to have license plates.

Gov. Gavin Newsom extended condolences to Gutzwiller’s family and ordered flags at the Capitol to be flown at half-staff in honor of the slain deputy.

“He will be remembered as a hero who devoted his life to protecting the community and as a loving husband and father,” Newsom said in a statement.

The shooting shocked Ben Lomond, a town of about 6,000 people tucked up in the Santa Cruz mountains.

Gutzwiller was married with a young son and a second on the way.

At the vigil, Hart stood with Gutzwiller's widow and son as he praised the sergeant's community approach to policing.

“He was kind, patient, caring, empathetic. He can take enforcement action when he needed to, but he would rather communicate his way through any problem that was in front of him,” Hart said.

Coworkers said Gutzwiller was a gentle man who genuinely cared about the community he was raised in and lived in.

“He's just everything you want the police to be,” said Amy Christey, a former lieutenant with the sheriff's office.

 

[berkut76]

Building autonomous communities, that would eventually secede from the government, etc... That's extrapolating, I know, but that's one very slippery slope.

My bet is that if Police Departments will indeed get disbanded (majority of the elected mayors in the US even in left and far left cities are very close to their cities Police Departments, so I don't think that this actually is going to happen. San Francisco is a perfect example of this relationship), I think that the US Federal Government will institute the office of Gendarmerie or whatever it's going to be called.

 

[ao_sepia]

!?

 

[Fluff]

I appreciate some may label this racist, but the issue is already racist, as 'Black lives matter'.

And this is not purely a race issue, as my father was Irish, I can apply for an irish passport, and depending on Brexit I may do so, just to have easier travel to the EU. If the UK started classifying people like me as 'a problem' or mistreating us, I'd be off to Ireland, for the sake of my own skin and my families. And for those not familiar with the UK, a common sign in the 50's in, boarding houses would be 'no blacks or Irish'.

So You are born/live in a country, but you have a 'birthright' or familial rights to go and live in another country. If you form the opinion and or fact that because of your skin colour/sexuality/size of your nose you are always going to be a second place citizen, then surely you would explore the issue of leaving, and going to the country, perhaps where your issue, is mainstream, i.e. bignose country. Of course you may say that the country you are in needs to change, to accept bignose's. But you say, my cousin just got lynched, so I'm out of here.

Taking this to America, this doesn't seem to be happening, in the top 49 countries of emigration, not one African country is listed.

So this terrible country, where apparently the Police are shooting black people on site, where they get no healthcare, and have to beg on the street, yet no-one wants to go live in the ancestral homeland. NB these similar claims were made in the UK, that its a terrible place to live if your black - there words not mine.

So I go back to a common point I make about immigration, everyone wants to be middle class, and the western Judeo-Christian democratic philosophy has been and remains the most successful embodiment of this.

So no-one, black white or purple wants to go and live in the sh*thole countries, because they are not'middle-class' no schools, no healthcare, no police.

So while I'm sure there are inequities, both historical and actual, and I'm sure some are based on race - but some are not - that could easily have been a white 'down and out' under that knee, and I'd make a bet that knee has been on a few necks in its time. I don't believe these inequities are as bad as are being portrayed - today- I'm not talking about segregation, and this has been resolved, so what now can be done about something that has been mostly resolved?

In this case, action has been taken, the officers were dismissed, and legal action underway. Of course further actions are needed, but these need to be jobs/poverty/homes related - but not just for Black people, for all people that fall into this group, based on earnings or whatever.

But I also think there needs to be some change in the 'Black' Culture. Clearly in the UK, and USA,. there are black teachers, doctors, pilots, politicians - so it is possible to make progress or whatever you want to call this. But some parts of Black culture regard the individuals as sellouts, becoming 'white'. Where is the logic here, if you brand your most successful as sellouts, you want to remain as poor, uneducated 'victims' of the white people?

And specific to the USA today, the cops have been sacked, and legal action underway. ALL politicians should be calling for calm, for talks, for the upholding of the law, while these valid broad complaints are investigated. The assistance of NG in diluting the Police presence, whilst also helping protect the Police and the citizen, should be a win-win.

 

[Fluff]

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This is less of a movement opposing police brutality and more of a cult.

Fortunately, most of the silent majority will not bow down to the Cult of St. Floyd, the Martyr.

I'm sorry but WTF?

If I could produce documented proof, that @muck 's great uncle shot my grandad, in WW2 and therefore deprived him of being a millionaire, and my great great grandfather was speared by @Chazman 's great great grandfather at Lexington, therefore depriving me of owning Texas, that they will come over and wash my feet? How is this working? Tribe A has been knocking off Tribe B since well before Adam and Eve. What if we suddenly discover there was a Pre-Egyptian civilisation, where white people were slaves, and sold, in Africa, plus shipped them to China? We cannot re-write what was done, and in most countries everyone has the same rights, might be some difference in application, which needs to be tidied up but washing some dude's feet isn't going to get us anywhere. I can also see a lot of people getting shot, for asking or telling another person to kneel and wash my feet......

 

[Fluff]

My bet is that if Police Departments will indeed get disbanded (majority of the elected mayors in the US even in left and far left cities are very close to their cities Police Departments, so I don't think that this actually is going to happen. San Francisco is a perfect example of this relationship), I think that the US Federal Government will institute the office of Gendarmerie or whatever it's going to be called.

Institute = enforce, Yup that sounds fine to me, wont cause anything but some minor issues of precedence at official meals...….

 

[McWarpig]

A little bit off the subject, but I thought the whole premise behind "BLM" turned out to be false? the whole hands up dont shoot, was all found out to be a complete misrepresentation, or a lie... and to go along with that, is statistics show that cops shoot and kill quite a few more whites than blacks? so why is it accepted in the media to push that whole narrative when it was found in the courts to be false??

“Squeaky wheel.” The louder and more annoying the complaining the more likely it gets addressed. Nothing factual seems to point toward cops (in a broad sense) being racist. But facts aren’t necessary. Black Lives Matter as a premise is a racist group. Far left or far right, the minority fringes of our culture has one tool. Create fear and outrage by any means necessary. The majority of our county is being terrorized by the fringes. Thank our media.

 

[Chazman]

“Squeaky wheel.” The louder and more annoying the complaining the more likely it gets addressed. Nothing factual seems to point toward cops (in a broad sense) being racist. But facts aren’t necessary. Black Lives Matter as a premise is a racist group. Far left or far right, the minority fringes of our culture has one tool. Create fear and outrage by any means necessary. The majority of our county is being terrorized by the fringes. Thank our media.

Also, the leaders of BLM are self avowed Marxists, so there's that.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

And while the Dems/progs are demanding for the police to be disbanded, De Blasio pledging to defund the NYPD:

Shootings, murders rose dramatically in NYC last week amid backdrop of protests

Murders and shootings in the Big Apple skyrocketed last week compared to the same period last year, law enforcement sources said. From last Monday to Sunday night, there were 13 murders in the city…

nypost.com

Who could have anticipated...

 

[riderboy]

And while the Dems/progs are demanding for the police to be disbanded, De Blasio pledging to defund the NYPD:

Shootings, murders rose dramatically in NYC last week amid backdrop of protests

Murders and shootings in the Big Apple skyrocketed last week compared to the same period last year, law enforcement sources said. From last Monday to Sunday night, there were 13 murders in the city…

nypost.com

Who could have anticipated...

Is that Pelosi and Schumer et. al.? Seems like a little 'cultural appropriation' going on there. This is almost incomprehensibly stupid. It's not ignorant, it's not uneducated. It's fresh off the vine raw stupidity. Amazing to what depths the Democrats will sink when they start losing the African American vote.

 

[Fluff]

“Squeaky wheel.” The louder and more annoying the complaining the more likely it gets addressed. Nothing factual seems to point toward cops (in a broad sense) being racist. But facts aren’t necessary. Black Lives Matter as a premise is a racist group. Far left or far right, the minority fringes of our culture has one tool. Create fear and outrage by any means necessary. The majority of our county is being terrorized by the fringes. Thank our media.

This comes from https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/ - It doesn't strike me as being completely unbiased, as it seems to focus on Police Violence...

Police killed 1,098 people in 2019

This seems interesting:

Then I went to the Guardian, also not unbiased, and their data is a little old, but for Dec 2016 85 people were killed, mostly men.

When you filter the 85, to unarmed you are left with 7.

then I found statista - seems more balanced, see below, so yes more white people appear to be killed than black. But if we take the stats on population, Blacks are about 13% of the population, white 55%

Then I went to ODMP

So my conclusions, and others will form their own, is people of any colour usually lose in a 'gunfight' with police. Not too surprising, the officer is trained, will have fired a good number of rounds, will have zeroed his weapon.

The vast majority of people, of any colour that were 'killed' by the police were armed.

As an unarmed black person, there is a slightly increased chance, above the average, to be killed by a police officer. The increase is not very much, but should be reviewed by state or city and dealt with.

For the UK the death in custody (Daily mail data)Of these 163 deaths: 140 were white, 13 were black and 10 were from other minority groups, commented as Blacks being twice as likely to die.

Contrasting the UK to USA, usa seems to have 1000 deaths for 300M people, the UK 163 for 65M, so roughly the USA rate is double the UK rate, but I would struggle to see that the excess in USA is lots of unarmed black men(mostly).

Please forgive my random sources, and approximations.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

Is that Pelosi and Schumer et. al.? Seems like a little 'cultural appropriation' going on there. This is almost incomprehensibly stupid. It's not ignorant, it's not uneducated. It's fresh off the vine raw stupidity.

It's peak virtue signaling.

 

[BCNTM]

Disband the Police Force then the U.S. will become the sh*t hole that is South Africa today.

only BL that matter there are the President and his cronies - go and protest there - they run the Country so well

 

[BCNTM]

A community-based patrol sounds like an excellent way to sneak in or legitimize religious based organizations to "keep the peace".

with or without the pointy white hats?

 

[BCNTM]

This comes from https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/ - It doesn't strike me as being completely unbiased, as it seems to focus on Police Violence...

Police killed 1,098 people in 2019

This seems interesting:

View attachment 231483
Then I went to the Guardian, also not unbiased, and their data is a little old, but for Dec 2016 85 people were killed, mostly men.

When you filter the 85, to unarmed you are left with 7.

then I found statista - seems more balanced, see below, so yes more white people appear to be killed than black. But if we take the stats on population, Blacks are about 13% of the population, white 55%

View attachment 231515

Then I went to ODMP

View attachment 231536

So my conclusions, and others will form their own, is people of any colour usually lose in a 'gunfight' with police. Not too surprising, the officer is trained, will have fired a good number of rounds, will have zeroed his weapon.

The vast majority of people, of any colour that were 'killed' by the police were armed.

As an unarmed black person, there is a slightly increased chance, above the average, to be killed by a police officer. The increase is not very much, but should be reviewed by state or city and dealt with.

For the UK the death in custody (Daily mail data)Of these 163 deaths: 140 were white, 13 were black and 10 were from other minority groups, commented as Blacks being twice as likely to die.

Contrasting the UK to USA, usa seems to have 1000 deaths for 300M people, the UK 163 for 65M, so roughly the USA rate is double the UK rate, but I would struggle to see that the excess in USA is lots of unarmed black men(mostly).

Please forgive my random sources, and approximations.

the 'others' look really dangerous to me....

Prevalence rate of violent crime, by ethnicity U.S. 2022| Statista

In 2022, the prevalence of violent crime increased for all races in the United States in comparison to the previous year.

www.statista.com

what I was looking for was crime by ethnicity vs % of the population

 

[primer]

And while the Dems/progs are demanding for the police to be disbanded, De Blasio pledging to defund the NYPD:

Shootings, murders rose dramatically in NYC last week amid backdrop of protests

Murders and shootings in the Big Apple skyrocketed last week compared to the same period last year, law enforcement sources said. From last Monday to Sunday night, there were 13 murders in the city…

nypost.com

Who could have anticipated...

Perfecting demagoguery

 

[Fluff]

the 'others' look really dangerous to me....

Prevalence rate of violent crime, by ethnicity U.S. 2022| Statista

In 2022, the prevalence of violent crime increased for all races in the United States in comparison to the previous year.

www.statista.com

what I was looking for was crime by ethnicity vs % of the population

Other = ** Includes American Indians and Alaska Natives, Native Hawaiians, and other Pacific Islanders; and persons of two or more races.

That cant be right, that 50% of victims are Indians and Hawaiians? What is there an agreement to shoot them on site, by all other citizens? Maybe the bold bit explains it? Melting pot and all that?