Politics Apple’s co-Founder stating the obvious...

People actually thought they were recieving a product for free when infact they were the product all along , ready to harvest at the owners moment of choosing .
 
People actually thought they were recieving a product for free when infact they were the product all along , ready to harvest at the owners moment of choosing .

True, I still believe the vast majority of people are smart enough to understand there is no privacy on FB; or elsewhere on the internet. So they chose to trade privacy for keeping in touch with their folks/peers and that about sums it up.

Regarding FB the only thing to do if not getting rid of your account ... set your profile to private at the maximum. Use Messenger only with your friends etc. All of which won’t ever prevent you from being Zuckerberg’s monitored at your expanse.
 
True, I still believe the vast majority of people are smart enough to understand there is no privacy on FB; or elsewhere on the internet. So they chose to trade privacy for keeping in touch with their folks/peers and that about sums it up.

Regarding FB the only thing to do if not getting rid of your account ... set your profile to private at the maximum. Use Messenger only with your friends etc. All of which won’t ever prevent you from being Zuckerberg’s monitored at your expanse.

Past texting and phone calls the only messenger service I use is WhatsApp ( owned by Facebook ! ) . I always find it ironic that Facebook is sold as a great way to keep in contact but technology was already there to do so anyway . They merely re invented the wheel . I remember keeping in contact with my sister some years ago via post and although a tad labour intensive I do miss that type of communication where you ve actually got to put a little thought into it . It's all a bit LOL s , LMAO these days .
 
IQ's in children are going down whereas before they were always rising.

On the other hand the nets made information available to all that was once generally limited to narrow professional groups. Googles Youtube's made everyone an expert.

There's something very orwellian about that stat primer . In UK schools they even have an I pad loan program ,


Because you can't educate children in this day and age without the help of apple . Let private companies into a public space and all they ll do is flog product ......
 
As though Apple was concerned with protecting people's privacy.
You know what's pissing me off, though? All those fuckers out there who genuinely believe the NSA listens in on their phone calls, but on the other hand will merrily help big data take over the world.
 
As though Apple was concerned with protecting people's privacy.
You know what's pissing me off, though? All those fuckers out there who genuinely believe the NSA listens in on their phone calls, but on the other hand will merrily help big data take over the world.


You ll have to excuse the publication muck but you d be surprised what lengths apple will go to " protect " people's privacy . Quite a big story in the UK this at the time but the real eye opener is that the UK government could not legislate against apple to force them to open her accounts . It does beg the question who's in charge here and the realisation that voting is becoming a bit of a waste of time as parliamentarians can't do that much anyway .
That ownership is 9/10 of the law seems to be a growing problem when trying to deal with these huge multi Nationals .
 
FB et al launching the idea of Libra crypto. Their own currency sums it up in three words. Now law makers want it to be able to be tracked for crim and tax reasons which naturally makes the users exchanges completely transparent and more Orwellian than actual money.
 
@bfc1001
That's not what I meant. Facebook isn't going to release data upon a stranger's request either. But they will gather as much as they can to profile you for their own benefits, or to sell off your personal information to the highest bidder. And I'll eat my hat if Apple doesn't do the same.
Ironically, your data might actually be safer with the NSA since secret service analysts have no monetary incentive to ignore your privacy.
 
@bfc1001
That's not what I meant. Facebook isn't going to release data upon a stranger's request either. But they will gather as much as they can to profile you for their own benefits, or to sell off your personal information to the highest bidder. And I'll eat my hat if Apple doesn't do the same.
Ironically, your data might actually be safer with the NSA since secret service analysts have no monetary incentive to ignore your privacy.

Yes , and the regulatory body appears to be corporations . They own that information and you have no rights because it's private property . But you are correct , how can you sit back and fear the state when private entities wield so much power anyway .
 
I trust people who do things for money a hell of a lot more than those who do things for power. The Apple vs. NSA et.Al. tradeoff is no-contest for me.
 
Almost a Breaking News... Leave FB because you’re being monitored and so are your private conversations...

In other news - water is wet.

the hypocrisy of Apple in the back pocket of the NSA same can bbe said about Google's andriod and they American have a cheek to say China's Huawei is a threat .... a threat that Huawei might decide to block access to the CIA/NSA of there tech
 
I trust people who do things for money a hell of a lot more than those who do things for power. The Apple vs. NSA et.Al. tradeoff is no-contest for me.
That's interesting. Would you care to elaborate?

What I'd figured is this: The Big Data firm has a financial interest in gathering all my data and utilizing it in some form or another. Every employee shares that interest, as quotas and efficiency bonuses goad them on.

A secret service or law enforcement organization, on the other hand, consists of people who're underpaid and overworked, and who couldn't be happier if they don't have to sift through my smut folder. Provided it even comes to that, that is: If Edward Snowden is to be believed, most data gathering done nowadays is heavily automatized, and only in case of doubt are the results forwarded to human analysts.

Which seems understandable enough since even intelligence agencies such as Stasi or Securitate – whose grip on society made the NSA look like a charitable organization run by amateurs – failed in their bid for total surveillance. Even in an analogue society and even with a third of the population on their payrolls, those organizations just couldn't process the flood of information coming their way.

I don't think the NSA does things for "power", by the way – at least when it comes to ordinary folks like you and me. If they don't find anything to implicate us in illicit activities or suggest we possess valuable information, we become useless to them. As a matter of fact, it seems as though everything collected on non-persons of interest is deleted rather quickly, just to save memory space.

Last but not least, there's the morality of it (or lack thereof). The Zuckerbergs of the world make billions of playing gullible fools like string puppets, appealing to their base instincts. Secret services, on the other hand, don't make a dime of my personal information and they do not approach me under a guise of altruism to gain access to them.
 
CCN ran a poll. 80% of their viewers woudn't trust zuckerbucks. Yet they are quite willing for Zuckerberg to have their dirty laundry.

Apparently its a strange hostage relationship for them.

Total transparency could give the cure to cancer. Fullest ever analytical survey of consumption related to medical records. Probably China's prospects are great in this field and given the level of health paranoia that they have..and they would really benefit from actual results instead of madly swallowing anything with broad cure claims.
 
That's interesting. Would you care to elaborate?
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The motivations of people who are after my money are pretty simple. And they know that if they annoy me too much, they won't get it. No-one is forced to use Facebook, Google has never sent a drone to put a Hellfire through the window of someone who uses GoDuckGo, and my supermarket chain doesn't have a badly trained SWAT team to accidentally discharge firearms at me for shopping elsewhere. No matter how much information these companies gather, they don't have a state sanctioned power to murder people.

The motivations of intel agencies, lobby groups and so forth are significantly more opaque. You say that right now what you are doing is of no interest to them - that's great. Who is to say that in 10 years time you don't become (for whatever reasons) a political or economic force to be reckoned with. It's entirely in their interest to gather up information on everyone whether they are important or not at the time as it gives them leverage for the future.

0 trust - they burned it all with a giant pile of $, €, £ or currency of your choice when they decided that it was easier to treat everyone as a terrorist.
 
who'd have thunk it that this could be the real reason America is trying to stop allies doing business with Huawei and why Huawei has been deemed a threat to US national security

Huawei is spearheading the quantum communication technology in a bid to build "unhackable" networks. Cyber security experts have discussed whether the tech giant's efforts would make US eavesdropping techniques, once described by Edward Snowden, obsolete"

and as for intellectual theft America should not go there after the NSA was proven to be guilty of the same stealing tech from companies around the globe and passing it on to US companies and stealing data to help US companies to win contracts
 
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Something else to keep in mind when basking in the 'prescience' of Mr Wozniak, he's on record calling personal computers "a dead and dying fad", that "computers have been oversold as a solution" and "pen and paper works better and is faster".
 
Those Aussies are harsh... 10 mill fine 0r 10% of FB income if they "allow extremist" posts.

Taxcinder will throw Kiwis in jail for posting "extremist" stuff on FB and FB is immune under her law. She presided over the post Christchurch forum and has given FB a full pass.
 
The motivations of people who are after my money are pretty simple. And they know that if they annoy me too much, they won't get it. No-one is forced to use Facebook, Google has never sent a drone to put a Hellfire through the window of someone who uses GoDuckGo, and my supermarket chain doesn't have a badly trained SWAT team to accidentally discharge firearms at me for shopping elsewhere. No matter how much information these companies gather, they don't have a state sanctioned power to murder people.

The motivations of intel agencies, lobby groups and so forth are significantly more opaque. You say that right now what you are doing is of no interest to them - that's great. Who is to say that in 10 years time you don't become (for whatever reasons) a political or economic force to be reckoned with. It's entirely in their interest to gather up information on everyone whether they are important or not at the time as it gives them leverage for the future.

0 trust - they burned it all with a giant pile of $, €, £ or currency of your choice when they decided that it was easier to treat everyone as a terrorist.

Bold part is theorically true but technically less and less because of
-Monopolies and Megacorps turning the market (consummers) captive
-Regulation agencies, information agencies and checking agencies interwinned with corporations (through lobbying, back and forth CEOs chairs or cirles of influence and relationships) making that those who do money can F*** you up within the law boundaries or with you not even knowing
- Interwinning with Politics : same as above but at institutional level on which you can add bribery, political influence etc

I agree with your second section through moreover when you know that large agencies have an interested to exist for themselves and will do anything to stay alive once born
 
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