Hybrid War Meeting between USA, Russia, China and France about cyberwar

[AAR Galileo]

Currently there is a "secret" meeting held near Paris this week between the USA, Russia, China and France about the cyber-war. The objectives is to prevent an escalation in case of cyber-attack from one country onto the vital interest (e.g. nuclear deterrent infrastructure, ......) to an another since it's currently sometimes difficult to pinpoint on the fly the real origin of an attack.

I think I have a friend who attend this one, he gave me a mysterious clue Monday, and I just connected the dots .

 

[Bombardier]

I wonder if we will hear of any agreements or other info after the event. Interesting

 

[AAR Galileo]

According to some people with the knowledge, British and Japanese were also in the discussion loop but at a lesser level of decision.
And apparently this is not the first meeting of the 4 +2 but the first to be acknowledge by some of the participants.

To answer your question Bombardier, no agreement, just a "we need to talk more". One of the major problem is the level of knowledge a country have on this matter, how good they are (or bad) to rapidly pinpoint the culprit with no doubt , nobody want to give their little secret on the subject.

 

[Gordus]

I don't think countries like China gonna give up or limit their possibly greatest asset to attack other countries, particularily the US, in case they wanted.

 

[Bombardier]

According to some people with the knowledge, British and Japanese were also in the discussion loop but at a lesser level of decision.
And apparently this is not the first meeting of the 4 +2 but the first to be acknowledge by some of the participants.

To answer your question Bombardier, no agreement, just a "we need to talk more". One of the major problem is the level of knowledge a country have on this matter, how good they are (or bad) to rapidly pinpoint the culprit with no doubt , nobody want to give their little secret on the subject.

Very interesting, thanks for your views on the matter. As you say if one country messes with another's Nuclear capability and we cannot identofy the source, things could get nasty in a heart beat. Hopefully they will all come to an agreement and things will chill for a while.

 

[AAR Galileo]

I don't think countries like China gonna give up or limit their possibly greatest asset to attack other countries, particularily the US, in case they wanted.

These meeting are not mean to ask any country to give up anything. No one will never do it because there is no mean of control what other countries capability are. Cyber offensive is the most elusive kind of attack, that can be done anywhere in the world, targeting any country with a cheap computer.
e.g. a North Korean team can launch an attack on the utility grid of Kenya from Argentina leaving cyber-forensic evidences of Icelandic hackers using Amazon servers. Who are you blaming first? Iran?

Very interesting, thanks for your views on the matter. As you say if one country messes with another's Nuclear capability and we cannot identofy the source, things could get nasty in a heart beat. Hopefully they will all come to an agreement and things will chill for a while.

The meeting was held at a high technical level by cyber-offensive specialists not at a political level.

And the vital interest is not only on nuclear deterrence but also on any grids needed to run a country (power, telecom, utilities, financial, ....), an each country as his own definition of "vital interest".

They just don't want anyone to push the big red button (not a nuclear but also a cyber-offensive retaliation ) before they are 100% sure of the real origin. Some countries have the knowledge and technical means to get the answer "fast" other not.

I think this meeting is also a mean to encourage the 6 participants (and the others like Autsralia, Canada, ....) to develop this capacity if they didn't have it yet.