Warfare Iran War Thread | US & Israel forces.

[Mike1976]

No, we won't. Aside from gas prices, Iran doesn't have enough strength to attack any more than it already is.

It is Iran that is under pressure, not the other way around.
Destroying Iran to the grounds is what should have been done from the very beginning.

Killing the rest of the regime, especially the groups of Vahidi and Ghalibaf.

Leaving the biggest extremists alive to "negotiate" with was a colossal mistake.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

No, we won't. Aside from gas prices, Iran doesn't have enough strength to attack any more than it already is.

It is Iran that is under pressure, not the other way around.
Destroying Iran to the grounds is what should have been done from the very beginning.

Destroying the leadership and the IRGC figures is, in retrospect, what should have been done.

Though the strikes carried out against the leadership have been very important and carried out in a scale rarely seen before, it turns out it wasn't enough. At the time it appeared to be enough, expecting the lower ranks to get into their head that "don't even think about messing around or you will get the stick", but it turns out they are a kind of suicidal delusional.
It was to be expected, since we know these people, they have been studied, their behavior is known, their state of mind, etc... We know who they are, but nobody is safe from "being turned", changing their mind, seeing the light or having them to be reasonable.

Which perhaps was something the US was counting on. Perhaps, who knows. But it didn't work.

The initial attacks on Iran was relying on the fact they would shake the IRGC institution hard enough for them to drop the proverbial towel and come to term with the facts they had to go.
The IRGC was the target, therefore were targeted the infrastructures the RIGC relied on. Thus leaving the population relatively untouched, because we needed the support and collaboration of the population for what was supposed to come after. We all know what to expect of a country when the population is entirely, or in its majority, alienated against us.

Ultimately, what is being done is "for the good of the people", but you can't beat a people and say it is for their own good at the same time.

Well... you can do that, but don't expect them to believe you.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

Killing the rest of the regime, especially the groups of Vahidi and Ghalibaf.

Leaving the biggest extremists alive to "negotiate" with was a colossal mistake.

Were they the biggest extremists or did they become the biggest extremists out of necessity (to keep the regime alive)?

 

[Mike1976]

Were they the biggest extremists or did they become the biggest extremists out of necessity (to keep the regime alive)?

Vahidi was already the head of the IRGC prior to the 12 Day War. Not a position given to moderates. Ghalibaf and Larijani were transferred from the IRGC to their political positions.

Like half of the IRGC leadership were vetoed by the US or Israel would have killed them already. Most still are shielded. Trump wanted a military strongman he could control instead of a civilian democratic government which might do wacky things like make it's own choices.

But Iran doesn't work that way. Every consecutive US administration fails to understand the religious and tribal aspects of the region.

 

[Musashi]

Killing the rest of the regime, especially the groups of Vahidi and Ghalibaf.

Leaving the biggest extremists alive to "negotiate" with was a colossal mistake.

It was not a mistake but an Israeli plan to keep this war going for as long as possible.

 

[Mike1976]

It was not a mistake but an Israeli plan to keep this war going for as long as possible.

Everyone and their mother says it was the Israelis who wanted to kill them all and it was the Americans who told them repeatedly explicitly not to target a whole bunch of leadership.

But of course your blatant anti-Semitism ignores facts acknowledged by all sides.

 

[HorniePonie]

Its almost certain that they used to transport pork in that truck back in the day.

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This is both the funniest thing I have seen today and probably the most visible PR event that K-market will ever get.

On par with the technical that still had some Finnish plumber's logos.

 

[Defcon 1 Caveman]

You mean the Texas plumber number on the ISIS HMG battle station?
That poor dude got tons of threats, harassment phone calls then he has to change his phone number.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

This is both the funniest thing I have seen today and probably the most visible PR event that K-market will ever get.

On par with the technical that still had some Finnish plumber's logos.

Plot twist, then entire war with Iran was plotted by K-market.

 

[HorniePonie]

You mean the Texas plumber number on the ISIS HMG battle station?
That poor dude got tons of threats, harassment phone calls then he has to change his phone number.

I definitely remember seeing a Finnish company logo too. The plumber may have indeed been a Texan, now that you mentioned. There was also a stuck truck with local logos somewhere in the deepest jungles of Africa that the black boys tried to get unstuck. The Chinese repaired the road, the army tanks came behind the Chinese road machines ruining the road even worse and the truck was still stuck. Never stops amusing me.

 

[Chazman]

Its almost certain that they used to transport pork in that truck back in the day.

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These are weird people.

 

[Vorph]

Everyone and their mother says it was the Israelis who wanted to kill them all and it was the Americans who told them repeatedly explicitly not to target a whole bunch of leadership.

That's how you get forever wars, this S**t would've been over before June if Trump hadn't opted for "diplomacy". Every day of this theatre draws out the conflict even further.

It does appear that a lot more things are going boom this time, but I'm still waiting for the most likely inevitable "Iran is begging for a deal" line again...

 

[Mike1976]

That's how you get forever wars, this S**t would've been over before June if Trump hadn't opted for "diplomacy". Every day of this theatre draws out the conflict even further.

It does appear that a lot more things are going boom this time, but I'm still waiting for the most likely inevitable "Iran is begging for a deal" line again...

He already said the Iranians called asking for a deal last night.

The source was Axios, so probably using it to manipulate the markets, but still.

 

[Jake84]

That's how you get forever wars, this S**t would've been over before June if Trump hadn't opted for "diplomacy". Every day of this theatre draws out the conflict even further.

It does appear that a lot more things are going boom this time, but I'm still waiting for the most likely inevitable "Iran is begging for a deal" line again...

Would agree. We’re all waiting for an exit of this right now. It’s embarrassing, on both ends of the theatre, as you aptly call it.

Maybe we (I mean we, any of us that want an Iran free of the nuclear weapons) will regret later to not have finished the job. Easier said than done. Very few are willing to lose their limbs, lives for whether the Iranian people freedom (been there done that, democracy doesn’t work in the Middle East) or a nuke free Iran, I can’t blame anyone about it, but the stalemate we’re witnessing is frustrating.

 

[Nansouty]

Going on a limb here, and I stress this is but my opinion, but I read that Iran had planned for US strikes by decentralizing their command structure. While this makes it impossible to fully decapitate the regime, each region staying under its own local command structure, it makes it just as difficult to run a coordinated defence. IMO, we have reached a point, or are about to reach, where some sort of ground action offers a high probability of success : local forces on their own with reinforcements unlikely, is exactly the kind of situation a landing force is tailored to run. Qeshm, Larak, the Tumbs could make good objectives.

 

[Mike1976]

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[Mike1976]

B-52s stationed in the UK have been withdrawn and now 12 F-22s stationed in Israel have also arrived in the UK on their way home.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

B-52s stationed in the UK have been withdrawn and now 12 F-22s stationed in Israel have also arrived in the UK on their way home.

Wonder if this will be a rotation, for fresher unit to take their place, or the US to redeploy its assets from somewhere else, or perhaps for a new approach in term of strikes.

 

[Mike1976]

Thank you for reminding us exactly why the IRGC can never give up it's nuclear weapons program.

And still not understanding that suffering is a business model for them.

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[profyler]

Thank you for reminding us exactly why the IRGC can never give up it's nuclear weapons program.

And still not understanding that suffering is a business model for them.
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