Warfare HAMAS attack on Israel, Oct 2023 & Iran’s Proxies.

Saudi's expresses their condemnation and denunciation of the military targeting of iran, which is a violation of its sovereignty and a violation of international laws and norms. ksa affirms its firm position in its rejection of the continued escalation in the region and the expansion of the conflict that threatens the security and stability of the countries and peoples of the region.


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So is chopping up a journalist and stuffing him into a 50 gal drum in the hotel then actually wheeling it out to a waiting vehicle.
 
A few thoughts.
1. Optics. No fireworks to speak of. The attack looks underwhelming, especially comparing highly photogenic Iranian missiles (and their flaming fragments) raining on Israel. I wish our leadership kept the rhetoric prior to the attack on smaller flames, because the optics right now is not in Israel favor, which is important.
3. Actual damage. Israel most certainly used the opportunity to defang IRGC to a serious extent - probably (as some unverified reports suggest) hitting both missile and drone factories, and air defense infrastructure. Possibly with contingency in mind to prepare ground for a home run against the nuclear sites in the future (if Trumps gets elected etc.). When quality OSINT starts coming out, we'll have a better idea. Although I do wonder, if the nuclear site got actually hit, how it's possible to know in principle from OSINT.
3. Rationale. Cause maximum damage with minimum optics - to stay under the threshold of public humiliation, which otherwise would necessitate a yet another retaliation. This is due to combination of Biden's admin pressure and possibly other considerations, e.g. the the Israel air defense ammo stock depletion and the necessity to focus on the already two fronts ground war.
Israel is waiting for Iran to bring back their air farce so it can be properly upgraded.
 
True but this is already a case of do or die for Israel. To do nothing is opening the flood gate for more atrocities by the real savages in the neighborhood.

This situation is indeed critical for Israel, and inaction could lead to even greater atrocities by the true aggressors in the region.

Let me clarify: I recognize that Israel’s survival is at stake, and I support the targeting of neighboring villages. However, as I mentioned before, a ground invasion carries significant risks and could lead to substantial casualties among soldiers—consider the Vietnam War. There must be a way to reset the situation without ground intervention for now. Think of the Beirut port explosion; it didn’t involve radiation but still devastated large areas,thats the kind of Ordnance that should be used due to its destructive power. Transforming the bordering towns into a wasteland could be effective since all hezzy ratsare hiding in underground tunnels.
 
This situation is indeed critical for Israel, and inaction could lead to even greater atrocities by the true aggressors in the region.

Let me clarify: I recognize that Israel’s survival is at stake, and I support the targeting of neighboring villages. However, as I mentioned before, a ground invasion carries significant risks and could lead to substantial casualties among soldiers—consider the Vietnam War. There must be a way to reset the situation without ground intervention for now. Think of the Beirut port explosion; it didn’t involve radiation but still devastated large areas,thats the kind of Ordnance that should be used due to its destructive power. Transforming the bordering towns into a wasteland could be effective since all hezzy ratsare hiding in underground tunnels.
Israel will have mapped as many bunkers etc as it can, its had years to do it. So it’s gone in on the ground, fairly slowly. Israeli society seems to accept casualties of soldiers, rather than its civilians be butchered.

I’ve said before, once cleared, can Lebanon on the ground, with us U.K. nato air support, keep hezzies weapons out?
 
Weak.

It's exactly as I said it was, a limited strike as daddy Biden said everything else was a no no because of the precious elections.

For some God forsaken reason, they warned Iran before the attack "let us do our thing and don't respond and we all play nice again".

All those recent successes, then 25 days of "you will pay a high price" + hype hype hype and then nothing but hot air.

Seriously... what was the point? All that aircraft and logistics wasted on a glorified dog and pony show?!!

Israel's enemies are mocking the country, the opposition is mocking the current cabinet.

They tried to kill Netanyahu with a drone! Did they forget that??

Iran is probably not going to respond, they can just say it was a failed attack and not worth the bother. The Pally/Hezzie/Islamic Republic stronk dickheads will have many a field day over this one.

All the Pahlavi loyalists must be really downheartened right now...

Seems that the status quo will just continue ad infinitum.

Ridiculous.
 
The strike got likely downgraded a whole lot because of the leak.
 
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What the heck is this S**t? Iran is going to attack New York or something? 🤣
 
The strike got likely downgraded a whole lot because of the leak.
Should've just waited till election night, as soon as the results are in, BAM... surprise major strike when the eyes of the world are focused elsewhere.

"but but we don't want escalation, let's just let them keep killing us through proxies again and again..."

Pffft.
 
Israel will have mapped as many bunkers etc as it can, its had years to do it. So it’s gone in on the ground, fairly slowly. Israeli society seems to accept casualties of soldiers, rather than its civilians be butchered.

I’ve said before, once cleared, can Lebanon on the ground, with us U.K. nato air support, keep hezzies weapons out?

Without a decisive order from our Lebanese military to engage civilians, Hezbollah remains well-equipped with small arms and continues to monitor , attempting to maintain control. However, many former Shiite supporters of Hezbollah now just want the conflict to end and want Hezbollah out.

The Sunni communities in Beirut and Tripoli are effectively keeping the Shiites in check, which is encouraging. The Druze are also assisting displaced individuals, as long as Hezbollah isn't mentioned or cause trouble. The Christian community is doing a commendable job as well.

Overall, everyone is focused on helping children, the sick, and the elderly, provided there are no disruptions. Hezbollah members are definitely unwelcome, and discussions are ongoing within all communities to ensure that only families can rent homes or apartments. Any families that raise suspicions undergo background checks.

Regarding schools and open public spaces, there's not much we can do, but the army is performing well in maintaining order. Some individuals have moved to the seaside area known as Ain Al Mraiseh, famous for its vibrant atmosphere, historic architecture, and proximity to the sea. Attempts by some southern residents to build concrete homes there were swiftly addressed by the army, which removed them and their makeshift structures. This has been attempted in various locations, but so far, they have not been allowed to settle.

Fortunately, Israel hasn't targeted our army, as many of us rely on them for safety and order in the coming phase. We'll see what happens next once this situation is resolved, as Hezbollah is still reeling from the rapid loss of power and leadership in less than two weeks. Many members feel cornered, and a cornered animal can react violently. Hopefully, the next phase unfolds positively.
 
Just my opinion after the underwhelming strike....

I think we are at the point where Iran regarding Israel feels, "screw it, we don't care what you do with Hamas and Hez, we are willing to write them off, just don't decapitate our leadership or destroy our oil production".

Who knows, maybe that's for the best.
 
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What the heck is this S**t? Iran is going to attack New York or something? 🤣
Would anyone even notice?
 
Just my opinion after the underwhelming strike....

I think we are at the point where Iran regarding Israel feels, "screw it, we don't care what you do with Hamas and Hez, we are willing to write them off, just don't decapitate our leadership or destroy our oil production".

Who knows, maybe that's for the best.
Sensible suggestion. Doesn’t have many opportunities for grift, nor virgins, so I think we’re gonna pass on this plan.
 
This situation is indeed critical for Israel, and inaction could lead to even greater atrocities by the true aggressors in the region.

Let me clarify: I recognize that Israel’s survival is at stake, and I support the targeting of neighboring villages. However, as I mentioned before, a ground invasion carries significant risks and could lead to substantial casualties among soldiers—consider the Vietnam War. There must be a way to reset the situation without ground intervention for now. Think of the Beirut port explosion; it didn’t involve radiation but still devastated large areas,thats the kind of Ordnance that should be used due to its destructive power. Transforming the bordering towns into a wasteland could be effective since all hezzy ratsare hiding in underground tunnels.
The Vietnam War wasn't a real war, that liar in charge LBJ sat at the table in the mornings having his doughnut and coffee while choosing targets that held NOTHING. It was a criminal war due to him having lied to congress and the senate about the Gulf of Tonkin incident that got him the war powers act to misuse and rename as a police action. North Vietnam could have been totally defeated in two weeks had it been a real war. That was 10 years and only 50,000 plus killed but with a very high wounded number. The government had no intention of winning anything and I've often wondered exactly what was their motives other than to milk the money tit all of them were hanging onto. Just about every product and service that was fed to the conflict it was members of our own congress and senate that owned all the providers. Barbed wire in Ohio, chest protectors and so many other things. Every last one of them all pleaded guilty to stupidity before they died, I guess they might have been worried about burning in hell for a very long time. That use of the term Police Action should be banned from being used if we have our Armed Forces involved in any kind of shooting conflict where casualty is taking place. After they burned the women and children to death in WACO they all stood around in the chambers slapping each other on the back and laughing, they were on open mike and video while the pile of burned citizens were still smoking. That was why Timothy McVeigh blew up the strong hold in Oklahoma City. They started that tag domestic terrorist because there were children in a day care center who died. He did not know there were children in that building nor did anyone other than those that were getting that free daycare at our cost which we of course knew nothing about. This is also why he took his punishment like a man and never said a word, he knew anything he might have said would have been trashed by the real criminals in DC. The list goes on and on like Ruby Ridge and the Nevada land grab all perpetrated by the same scumbags who started the Vietnam war. Thankfully most are gone now just as soon as ole joe gags on his own tongue. Not a coincidence that all this dying and suffering was under the watch of democrats in government. They finally just got tired and opened the borders to our enemies instead of sending our troops to their countries to fight.
 
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Aftermath of the strikes are becoming more clear now...

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Pure propaganda, they rain ballistics a third time and the "Islamic Republic" occupation of Iran will be ended...
 

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