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Can’t speak as I said before for Germany, but the French commentators do mention about a terrible campaign from the AfD, making bordering to downright stupid comments as « Not every SS were Nazis thugs » (I think that was the wording until our German peers confirm).

Yet they managed to do really well indeed in the former eastern Germany beside Berlin, naturally.

Olaf’s party took a big blow. Blaming it all on the Mannheim incident and the recent afghan stabbing an Ukrainian woman in Frankfurt is simplistic and silly, but something is happening when a far-right party leads the actual party in power even in a European election.
Everybody can see why. All over europe.

For ex.
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People didn’t just went to bed democrats and woke up nazis the next morning

As long as the European "leaders" keep buring their heads in the sand the far right will keep growing.
Hopefully this gets through, removal of all Huawei components. Was totally idiotic to allow Ruzzias best friend to install that over here.

Ericsson and Nokia will be big winners in that case. Gonna come with some costs the operators can't realistically live with in any short term. So if you need this done quick it will be each country paying for it. I know the UK was ahead of the game largely in part because their US bases didn't want their pilots tracked as they moved about. (That was the stated reason)
Over here they talk about pulling Huaweii out of the DWDM part of the network (think of it as a dumb cable transferring huge amounts of data) and that will cost a packet, and then there's actually getting skilled guys to do the night work involved in all this.
Who pays?
In the end, the consumer pays. Either through taxes or higher telco costs.

But Huawei is VERY clearly a strategic asset for China (or at least it was until it started getting ripped out of western telcos). Compare the Chinese response to the banning of Huawei in the US (which might as well have involved Trump setting a Chinese flag on fire, then taking a dump on it, then calling Xi an ugly Winnie the Pooh clone, then saying that the CCP spent the whole of the war with Japan trading opium with them) to the proforma response to the threatened banning of Tik-Tok.
Everybody can see why. All over europe.
Yes, but make no mistake: AfD has a significant extremist underbelly, particularly in East Germany. And I mean real right-wing extremism, not conservatism slandered by the media. It's not surprising to me that Le Pen didn't want to cooperate with them any longer.

Just a couple of random dicta from all echelons of the party:

"Those pigs [the German government] are merely puppets of the allied powers. Their task is to use the influx of migrants to keep the German people down by way of plunging our cities into virtual civil war."—Alice Weidel, national co-chair

"Prior to their americanisation, the whites and the blacks had been vastly differentiated peoples with their own identities. Now, they've become a mess. We Europeans don't want this degeneration and keep the peoples apart."—Björn Höcke, Thuringia caucus chairman (and party strongman), in his book 'Never Into the Same River Twice'

"[When we pursue our policies], the German people will lose those who are too weak or unwilling to oppose the increased africanisation, orientalisation and islamisation. […] I have a blood-letting in mind."—ibd.

"This so-called immigration policy is just a government-mandated multi-cultural coup d'etat to abolish the German people."—the same, during a rally in 2019

"We'll have to be peaceful and considerate, maybe we'll even have to adapt and tell the political opponent what they want to hear. But once we're there, we'll put them up against the wall. And then: six feet under they go, a layer of lime on top, job's a good 'un.—Holger Arppe, then co-chair of the Mecklenburg–Western Pomerania state caucus

"I wouldn't sentence someone who burns down an asylum seeker hostel with people in it."—Marcel Grauf, then Baden-Würrtemberg state caucus chief of staff

[In response to being told that African countries punish homosexuality with imprisonment] "We should do that, too!"—Andreas Gehlmann, then member of parliament for Saxony-Anhalt

"Breivik may have been a murderer, but he wasn't wrong."—Dr. Kai Borrmann, scientific advisor to the Berlin state caucus

"We need our own SA and make a clean sweep!"—Andreas Geithe, then chief whip for the Berlin-Pankow district caucus

Now, to be clear, AfD actually sanctioned most of the aforementioned for violations of the party code. Arppe was made to resign, Greithe was kicked out. That doesn't change the fact that they keep attracting the same kind of people over and over again. And particularly in Saxony and Thuringia, they're deeply in cahoots with actual Neo-Nazis—and the electorate rolls with it.

AfD was founded in 2013 by conservative and libertarian academics opposing the Greece bailout. Back then, their manifesto was by and large a white sheet. But when the refugee crisis began, they swiftly moved to the right, with most of the original functionaries leaving by their own accord. In my opinion, AfD chose to ditch the hassle of pursuing majority-appeal right-wing politics in favour of whoring themselves out to the extreme right in East Germany, knowing its loyalty would be ironclad and they'd never have to worry about being re-elected again. (Prior to AfD, right-wing parties used to have a way of becoming irrelevant rather swiftly.)

In doing so, they also tained what I'd consider common sense politics with an air of Nazism, and I will never not hold that against them
Those of you who understand German might wanna take a look at this recap of 2023 by one of the few non-leftie comedians in this country. He explains everything wrong with Germany …

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From a recent article aptly titled "Doomsday Mood", translated by me:
Then, when the Chancellor begins to share the anecdote of how difficult it was for him to take up jogging, some Social Democrat (SPD) members of parliament have had enough. Early on, Olaf Scholz says, he could only run 400 metres at a time without his muscles aching. But now he does better, without pain. This is how the parliamentarians remember his words.

Tuesday afternoon, crisis meeting of the Social Democrat caucus in the Reichstag's venerable Otto Wels Hall. It is the first meeting of the 207 Social Democrat MPs with the Chancellor following the historic 13.9 % debacle in the European elections on Sunday. They want to hear solutions, a way out of the misery, at least a glimmer of hope. Olaf Scholz, however, regales them with a comparison between his stamina whilst jogging and the patience necessary in politics.

Some MPs leave the room. "He talks to us like we're preschoolers", says one participant after the meeting. "No plan". "Completely lost". "Disconnected from reality". "He's not heard the shot". Such words have not been overheard in the Social Democrat caucus for a long time, at least not by journalists. Even those who've never said a bad word about the Chancellor are grumbling with discontent. (Source)
Most commentators agree that this government is virtually done and weeks away from a vote of no confidence. I cannot overstate how dramatic the situation is. For comparison, Scholz is only the 9th German head of government since 1949. Even Britain, globally seen as a stronghold of political stability, has had 18 Prime Ministers over the same period.

The Scholz government has to cobble together a budget for 2025 now. But the goals of the three coalition partners are so divergent that the liberal Finance Minister went into the negotiations saying that if the Social Democrats – i.e. his boss, Olaf Scholz – want to incur a higher national debt, they'll have to find a "majority beyond my party". In other words, he'll leave the coalition.

The coalition almost broke trying to come up with this year's budget, there's a strong chance they'll implode this time for good. But even if they manage to concoct some half-arsed solution, there's still the East German regional elections coming up (approx. 10 million inhabitants), where they'll suffer three defeats in a row. They'll be done then, if not sooner.

If elections were to be held tomorrow, the average of the available prognoses is as follows (last general election result in brackets):
  • CDU/CSU: 29.8% (24.2%)
  • AfD: 16.7% (10.4%)
  • SPD: 15.1% (25.7%) – currently in government
  • Greens: 13% (14.7%) – currently in government
  • BSW: 7.0% (n.a.)
  • FDP: 4.9% (11.4%) – currently in government
  • The Left: 3.2% (4.9%)
  • CDU/CSU = centre-right; strongly pro-Ukraine, anti-Immigration
  • AfD = right-wing extremism; strongly pro-Russia, strongly anti-Immigration
  • SPD = left-wing; pro-Ukraine, pro-Immigration
  • Greens = centre-left; strongly pro-Ukraine, strongly pro-Immigration
  • BSW = founded by defectors from The Left; combines economic socialism with social conservatism, pro-Russia, anti-Immigration
  • FDP = centrist; strongly pro-Ukraine, pro-Immigration
  • The Left = left-wing: pro-Russia, pro-Immigration
Note: Germany has a caucus recognition clause of 5%. Under the law applicable in 2021, The Left managed to enter parliament regardless due to an exemption clause since removed. The current electoral law has been challenged in the Constitutional Court. Because of this, it is not yet entirely clear under which mode the election would be held.

Possible coalition governments (based on the presumption that the FDP remains in parliament):
  • CDU/CSU + Greens + FDP ("Jamaica Coalition")
  • CDU/CSU + AfD ("Black-Blue") – but ruled out by the former
  • CDU/CSU + SPD ("Grand Coalition") – but highly unpopular amongst the latter
    • variant CDU/CSU + SPD + FDP ("Germany coalition") or CDU/CSU + SPD + Greens ("Kenya Coalition") – getting a third partner on board could bring the SPD to the table, as it would give their left wing members a chance to oppose the government without bringing it down completely
There's also the off chance that CDU/CSU could seek to build a minority government without entering into a formal coalition, though that's never happened before.
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Needs to be some legal action against governments knowingly putting their citizens at risk, especially where that risk is realised into a murder. This negativity and ineptitude for peoples safety is unacceptable
BTW over here the guy that was stabbing children outside a school was supposed to be deported years ago but as usual some hate filled NGO saw fit to fight a legal battle for him, and sh1tbirds everywhere. That NGO needs to get it's ass sued off.
The victim was also Afghan. With all due respect, not every stabbing has to be turned into an existential debate about migration. Hyperbole is one of the reasons why the right doesn't get anything done. If you're looking for a migration-related crime, how about the most recent honour-killing of a 15-year-old girl by her Afghan parents? How F***ed up do you have to be to murder your own child …
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Are they required to know any German?

Well I’m going to be cheeky, the Turkish Germans know very well how to shout “Ausländer Raus”, but they’ve been there well before the Syrians, afghans and so on.
NZ recently adopted the idea that english would be required. Canada Aussie it was required..but we were apparently desperate. I think our economists would love a US border.
Are they required to know any German?
If you're talking about refugees, yes, they are required to take German lessons and theoretically risk sanctions for refusing to attend. Due to a lack of a teachers, the waiting list has grown really long, though.
We have a brain drain where many go overseas after getting trained. So we have to replace with the left overs from Aussie. Unless they prefer our wonderful air and views of hills.

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