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This is actually a typical example of "influence" propaganda created by Russian trolls who can't count or write in "American". The cost of Boeing 747-400 in 2007(!) was $268 mln per. So, even if converted fire tanker costs the same, 11 billion would buy you 41 aircraft, not 1100
Also, they sure underestimate the wastefulness of our public works projects. Not just a democrat thing. I bet if completed, the High Speed Rail project would cost about $100 billion. Once again, I've seen memes like this before. They are clearly of foreign origin.
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Family behind gender reveal firework that sparked huge El Dorado wildfire in California could face bill for ENTIRE cost of putting blaze out -as Gov Newsom declares state of emergency and record temperature of 121 degrees fans the flames
A California wildfire which has so far destroyed 7,050 acres of land 40 miles northeast of Palm Springs was started by gender reveal party, it has emerged - leaving the family that hosted the party at risk of prison time and multi-million dollar fines.
Amid a record-breaking heatwave, the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection said on Sunday night that a smoke-generating pyrotechnic device caused the fire.
The devices are sometimes used to release blue or pink smoke to announce the gender of an expected baby.
The fire started on Saturday at 10:23am, they said, and 527 people from 10 fire crews are currently trying to halt the fire's progress.
It spread from the El Dorado Ranch Park north, onto the Yucaipa Ridge. The ridge separates Mountain Home Village and Forest Falls from the City of Yucaipa.
Bennet Milloy, spokesman for the department, told DailyMail.com that the people hosting the party were still on the scene when the firefighters arrived.
'We know how it started because they were still there,' he said. 'That, and the fact that there were surveillance cameras in the park.'
Milloy said that it was a relatively small family gathering, and that the relatives had gathered for a photo opportunity.
He did not know if they were local people, but he said they were potentially both civilly and criminally responsible for the fire - facing jail time and a massive fine. The family could be held responsible for the entire cost of putting the fire out, amounting to many millions of dollars, he said.
The civil costs were deemed 'suppression costs' - the charges associated with hundreds of fire fighters, engines, helicopters and planes.
The criminal charges could fall under 'a variety of charges', he said - which would be more severe if homes were destroyed. The family could be hit with violations of public resources codes and even arson, under California's penal code section 452.
Asked if the family realized the seriousness of their predicament, he said: 'They understood the seriousness of the fire.'
Milloy continued: 'They genuinely believed it was an accident.
'But I think now they understand the gravity of the situation.'
He did not have their names, but said they would be released if charges were pressed.
A California wildfire which has so far destroyed 7,050 acres of land 40 miles northeast of Palm Springs was started by gender reveal party, it has emerged - leaving the family that hosted the party at risk of prison time and multi-million dollar fines.
Amid a record-breaking heatwave, the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection said on Sunday night that a smoke-generating pyrotechnic device caused the fire.
The devices are sometimes used to release blue or pink smoke to announce the gender of an expected baby.
The fire started on Saturday at 10:23am, they said, and 527 people from 10 fire crews are currently trying to halt the fire's progress.
It spread from the El Dorado Ranch Park north, onto the Yucaipa Ridge. The ridge separates Mountain Home Village and Forest Falls from the City of Yucaipa.
Bennet Milloy, spokesman for the department, told DailyMail.com that the people hosting the party were still on the scene when the firefighters arrived.
'We know how it started because they were still there,' he said. 'That, and the fact that there were surveillance cameras in the park.'
Milloy said that it was a relatively small family gathering, and that the relatives had gathered for a photo opportunity.
He did not know if they were local people, but he said they were potentially both civilly and criminally responsible for the fire - facing jail time and a massive fine. The family could be held responsible for the entire cost of putting the fire out, amounting to many millions of dollars, he said.
The civil costs were deemed 'suppression costs' - the charges associated with hundreds of fire fighters, engines, helicopters and planes.
The criminal charges could fall under 'a variety of charges', he said - which would be more severe if homes were destroyed. The family could be hit with violations of public resources codes and even arson, under California's penal code section 452.
Asked if the family realized the seriousness of their predicament, he said: 'They understood the seriousness of the fire.'
Milloy continued: 'They genuinely believed it was an accident.
'But I think now they understand the gravity of the situation.'
He did not have their names, but said they would be released if charges were pressed.
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It's 10:35 AM, and there is no sunlight in San Francisco.
Strange and foreboding red-orange skies and a layer of falling ash greeted Bay Area residents as they woke on Wednesday, rubbing their eyes and wondering if they’d awoken on a different planet.
Some figured they were dreaming and went back to bed. Some students slept through the start of their remote learning classes because it was still dark outside. And at least one father told his children they had moved overnight to Mars.
The ominous skies, experts said, were a product of the plumes of smoke billowing from the historic number of wildfires burning across the state. Wind conditions overnight pushed smoke into lower elevations, filtering sunlight and producing dark tints of red, orange and gray. Still, air quality remained mostly unchanged.
Conditions were similar all over the Bay Area, and seemed to be the only thing anyone could talk about.
“It feels like the end of the world, or like Mordor. But I guess it’s just a weird mix of smog and smoke and haze,” said Catherine Geeslin, snapping cell phone pictures of the dark sky in West Portal in San Francisco. “It was alarming to see it’s still dark. And it will be strange to have lunch in the dark. But you still have to get on with your day.”
Sitting in front of a San Francisco coffee shop, Bob Kovash, of San Francisco, was sipping coffee, eating a bagel and marveling about the daylight darkness.
“It’s like another world,” he said. “I had to check my clocks to make sure they were working. When you expect it to be light and it’s dark, well, that’s a big deal.”
More than two hours after sunrise, it still seemed like dawn outside. But despite the smoky skies, there was no scent of smoke over most of the Bay Area, and the air quality in most areas was either good or moderate, according to Bay Area Air Quality Management District sensors.
Fires are to blame, of course, but not a specific fire, said Roger Gass, a National Weather Service meteorologist. Since August, more than two dozen fires are burning in California with dozens more in Oregon and Washington state, and all are spewing smoke into the skies.
Bay Area awakes to foreboding, orange, smoke-choked skies. Here’s why
Strange and foreboding red-orange skies and a layer of falling ash greeted Bay Area residents as they woke on Wednesday, rubbing their eyes and wondering if they’d awoken on a different planet.
Some figured they were dreaming and went back to bed. Some students slept through the start of their remote learning classes because it was still dark outside. And at least one father told his children they had moved overnight to Mars.
The ominous skies, experts said, were a product of the plumes of smoke billowing from the historic number of wildfires burning across the state. Wind conditions overnight pushed smoke into lower elevations, filtering sunlight and producing dark tints of red, orange and gray. Still, air quality remained mostly unchanged.
Conditions were similar all over the Bay Area, and seemed to be the only thing anyone could talk about.
“It feels like the end of the world, or like Mordor. But I guess it’s just a weird mix of smog and smoke and haze,” said Catherine Geeslin, snapping cell phone pictures of the dark sky in West Portal in San Francisco. “It was alarming to see it’s still dark. And it will be strange to have lunch in the dark. But you still have to get on with your day.”
Sitting in front of a San Francisco coffee shop, Bob Kovash, of San Francisco, was sipping coffee, eating a bagel and marveling about the daylight darkness.
“It’s like another world,” he said. “I had to check my clocks to make sure they were working. When you expect it to be light and it’s dark, well, that’s a big deal.”
More than two hours after sunrise, it still seemed like dawn outside. But despite the smoky skies, there was no scent of smoke over most of the Bay Area, and the air quality in most areas was either good or moderate, according to Bay Area Air Quality Management District sensors.
Fires are to blame, of course, but not a specific fire, said Roger Gass, a National Weather Service meteorologist. Since August, more than two dozen fires are burning in California with dozens more in Oregon and Washington state, and all are spewing smoke into the skies.
Bay Area awakes to foreboding, orange, smoke-choked skies. Here’s why
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A giant thunderstorm hovered above the Creek Fire on Saturday, shooting smoke plumes into the stratosphere as flames tore through the Sierra National Forest below — and an obscure meteorological term briefly burst into the popular lexicon: pyrocumulonimbus.
That’s the name for a rare formation that NASA dubbed the “the fire-breathing dragon of clouds.” It occurs when the scorched air from within a wildfire or volcano meets moist, buoyant air a few miles above the earth. The resulting mass is essentially a rain-less thunderstorm sitting atop a giant fire, said Dr. David Peterson, a meteorologist with the Naval Research Laboratory in Monterey.
Scientists believe the pyrocumulonimbus that took shape over the Creek Fire could be the biggest ever produced above U.S. soil.
The record-breaking plume gushed huge volumes of pollutants into the earth’s already warming atmosphere. Stunned passengers on a passing plane snapped photos showing the peculiar shape and immense size of the cloud.
The fire-breathing dragon of clouds’: Formation over Creek Fire thought to be biggest in US history
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Probably, behind the pay wall, but a great article about California National Guard helicopter rescue of Labor Day revelers from Lake Edison in the Sierra National Forest
Inside the mission to save hundreds of people trapped by the Creek Fire
The Creek Fire had devoured tens of thousands of acres in only a few hours, toppling oak and pine trees onto the curvy, single-lane road leading up the mountain to Mammoth Pool Reservoir. More than 360 people and 16 dogs found themselves trapped near Wagner’s General Store, along the lake.
They clustered on the beach, some wading into the cool water, as flames encircled the 8-mile-long reservoir, surging closer. They faced the prospect of burning alive — unless Rosamond’s chopper could reach them in time.
It was Labor Day weekend, and the popular outdoors destination northeast of Fresno had been packed. Bounded by two national parks and spanning 1.3 million acres, the forest drew a mix of hikers, campers and boaters every summer, particularly on holidays and especially since the pandemic hit. By Saturday evening, the number of revelers was at “Fourth of July levels,” the Madera County sheriff said.
The Creek Fire doesn’t rank among the top of the state’s largest wildfires on record, a grim leaderboard now changing by the week. But the blaze’s raw violence and speed outpaced evacuation alerts and caught thousands of people unaware, ambushing them on hiking trails, backcountry campsites and recreational lakes.
For many, escape wasn’t possible, not without help.
Cal Fire ground crews had tried and failed to reach Mammoth Pool. A California Highway Patrol helicopter couldn’t navigate through the smoky skies. That’s when the military helicopters, with special sensors, showed up. One of them was piloted by Rosamond, a 40-year-old military veteran with the California Army National Guard.
A Blackhawk followed behind his Chinook helicopter, their rotors thumping as they chopped through the darkness. Rosamond snapped on his night-vision goggles, casting the landscape in green. He couldn’t see farther than a half-mile out. The haze obscured even the moonlight.
The burning forest would have to light the way.
Rosamond pushed the Chinook forward through the smoke, navigating from ridgetop to ridgetop, as he tried to keep his bearings in the 16-ton, heavy-lift helicopter. He couldn’t make out the electrical wires that latticed the mountains — but this was an aircraft designed for warfare. With the use of delicate military sensors, he was able to continue safely.
His radio chattered again. In the choking smoke, the Blackhawk pilot who had been tailing him had lost sight of Rosamond’s Chinook and turned back, hoping to find a safer route.
This was a dangerous mission. The call to the California National Guard had gone out five hours earlier, around 3:15 p.m. — and only after every other ground attempt to evacuate Mammoth Pool had been exhausted. While the force is routinely summoned for search-and-rescue operations in the state, none has ever looked quite like this.
That afternoon, an exasperated Madera County firefighter had reported that an attempt to use a California Highway Patrol helicopter for a rescue hadn’t been successful. Wind speeds had picked up too much, whipping the wildfire into a frenzy. “We couldn’t do it,” he said over the radio.
At the same time, an airplane mapping the Creek Fire for ground crews bailed and was diverted to a wildfire burning in San Bernardino County — ignited by a couple who had used pyrotechnics for a gender reveal video — because of the dangerous air conditions. Across the state, Pacific Gas and Electric Co. had announced plans to cut power to prevent igniting a wildfire for the first time this year, catalyzed by the same winds that were now grounding aircraft.
At 6:58 p.m., a Creek Fire operations commander called off the air rescue: “At this time it’s negative to be able to fly into that area, too much smoke.”
The National Guard helicopters — one piloted by Rosamond — were already on their way. At about 7:40 p.m., he called Cal Fire commanders over the radio, asking how soon firefighters would be able to reach the scene. Their response: “It may take hours.” Crews would first have to cut their way in through fallen trees and spray down flames.
About 20 minutes later, Rosamond spotted the Mammoth Pool Reservoir dam. He circled the lake, searching for a landing place. Embers whipped through the air, and strands of pines torched like candles. The Wagner General Store, a 6-decade-old institution, had already burned down along with six cabins. The flashing hazard lights of all-terrain and recreational vehicles and campers pointed him to the beach.
People had gathered along the low-tide line, as close to the water as possible. He landed the Chinook atop the boat ramp. The rotor kicked up so much ash, dirt and sand that he couldn’t see through the windshield. It reminded him of landings he had done during deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Flight engineers in camouflage passed out bottled water and loaded the injured, along with women and children, into the back of the helicopter. As Rosamond surveyed the scene, he noticed multiple burn victims and some people with broken bones. He called for ambulances to meet the Chinook at the airport in Fresno.
About 60 more people packed into the seats. Startled, Rosamond realized that earlier estimates had been inaccurate. There were 30 families — not 30 people — seeking refuge at the lake and in need of rescue. Hundreds more than he had known.
Rosamond landed in Fresno with the first round of evacuees. He stayed only as long as it took to refuel, then whirred back into the wildfire. He approached from the east and circled over Huntington Reservoir, waiting for the Blackhawk to pick up a load of passengers, before touching down onto the boat ramp again. The surface of the lake roiled, thick with ash and debris.
The flight engineers gestured at people to climb inside. Nearly immediately, they lost count of how many had boarded. About 30 to 33 soldiers in full combat gear can normally fit in a Chinook, but it was standing room only in the back of the helicopter. Campers filled every inch of space, with duffel bags or children in their laps. The aircraft was so heavy with passengers that it added 10 minutes to their flight time.
“We used up every bit of skill that we’ve learned for high altitude and heavy flying,” Rosamond said. “We had to take the longer way back. We needed more time to climb above the mountains.”
It was only after landing in Fresno that they were able to do a proper count. There were 102 people crammed onboard.
Inside the mission to save hundreds of people trapped by the Creek Fire
The Creek Fire had devoured tens of thousands of acres in only a few hours, toppling oak and pine trees onto the curvy, single-lane road leading up the mountain to Mammoth Pool Reservoir. More than 360 people and 16 dogs found themselves trapped near Wagner’s General Store, along the lake.
They clustered on the beach, some wading into the cool water, as flames encircled the 8-mile-long reservoir, surging closer. They faced the prospect of burning alive — unless Rosamond’s chopper could reach them in time.
It was Labor Day weekend, and the popular outdoors destination northeast of Fresno had been packed. Bounded by two national parks and spanning 1.3 million acres, the forest drew a mix of hikers, campers and boaters every summer, particularly on holidays and especially since the pandemic hit. By Saturday evening, the number of revelers was at “Fourth of July levels,” the Madera County sheriff said.
The Creek Fire doesn’t rank among the top of the state’s largest wildfires on record, a grim leaderboard now changing by the week. But the blaze’s raw violence and speed outpaced evacuation alerts and caught thousands of people unaware, ambushing them on hiking trails, backcountry campsites and recreational lakes.
For many, escape wasn’t possible, not without help.
Cal Fire ground crews had tried and failed to reach Mammoth Pool. A California Highway Patrol helicopter couldn’t navigate through the smoky skies. That’s when the military helicopters, with special sensors, showed up. One of them was piloted by Rosamond, a 40-year-old military veteran with the California Army National Guard.
A Blackhawk followed behind his Chinook helicopter, their rotors thumping as they chopped through the darkness. Rosamond snapped on his night-vision goggles, casting the landscape in green. He couldn’t see farther than a half-mile out. The haze obscured even the moonlight.
The burning forest would have to light the way.
Rosamond pushed the Chinook forward through the smoke, navigating from ridgetop to ridgetop, as he tried to keep his bearings in the 16-ton, heavy-lift helicopter. He couldn’t make out the electrical wires that latticed the mountains — but this was an aircraft designed for warfare. With the use of delicate military sensors, he was able to continue safely.
His radio chattered again. In the choking smoke, the Blackhawk pilot who had been tailing him had lost sight of Rosamond’s Chinook and turned back, hoping to find a safer route.
This was a dangerous mission. The call to the California National Guard had gone out five hours earlier, around 3:15 p.m. — and only after every other ground attempt to evacuate Mammoth Pool had been exhausted. While the force is routinely summoned for search-and-rescue operations in the state, none has ever looked quite like this.
That afternoon, an exasperated Madera County firefighter had reported that an attempt to use a California Highway Patrol helicopter for a rescue hadn’t been successful. Wind speeds had picked up too much, whipping the wildfire into a frenzy. “We couldn’t do it,” he said over the radio.
At the same time, an airplane mapping the Creek Fire for ground crews bailed and was diverted to a wildfire burning in San Bernardino County — ignited by a couple who had used pyrotechnics for a gender reveal video — because of the dangerous air conditions. Across the state, Pacific Gas and Electric Co. had announced plans to cut power to prevent igniting a wildfire for the first time this year, catalyzed by the same winds that were now grounding aircraft.
At 6:58 p.m., a Creek Fire operations commander called off the air rescue: “At this time it’s negative to be able to fly into that area, too much smoke.”
The National Guard helicopters — one piloted by Rosamond — were already on their way. At about 7:40 p.m., he called Cal Fire commanders over the radio, asking how soon firefighters would be able to reach the scene. Their response: “It may take hours.” Crews would first have to cut their way in through fallen trees and spray down flames.
About 20 minutes later, Rosamond spotted the Mammoth Pool Reservoir dam. He circled the lake, searching for a landing place. Embers whipped through the air, and strands of pines torched like candles. The Wagner General Store, a 6-decade-old institution, had already burned down along with six cabins. The flashing hazard lights of all-terrain and recreational vehicles and campers pointed him to the beach.
People had gathered along the low-tide line, as close to the water as possible. He landed the Chinook atop the boat ramp. The rotor kicked up so much ash, dirt and sand that he couldn’t see through the windshield. It reminded him of landings he had done during deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Flight engineers in camouflage passed out bottled water and loaded the injured, along with women and children, into the back of the helicopter. As Rosamond surveyed the scene, he noticed multiple burn victims and some people with broken bones. He called for ambulances to meet the Chinook at the airport in Fresno.
About 60 more people packed into the seats. Startled, Rosamond realized that earlier estimates had been inaccurate. There were 30 families — not 30 people — seeking refuge at the lake and in need of rescue. Hundreds more than he had known.
Rosamond landed in Fresno with the first round of evacuees. He stayed only as long as it took to refuel, then whirred back into the wildfire. He approached from the east and circled over Huntington Reservoir, waiting for the Blackhawk to pick up a load of passengers, before touching down onto the boat ramp again. The surface of the lake roiled, thick with ash and debris.
The flight engineers gestured at people to climb inside. Nearly immediately, they lost count of how many had boarded. About 30 to 33 soldiers in full combat gear can normally fit in a Chinook, but it was standing room only in the back of the helicopter. Campers filled every inch of space, with duffel bags or children in their laps. The aircraft was so heavy with passengers that it added 10 minutes to their flight time.
“We used up every bit of skill that we’ve learned for high altitude and heavy flying,” Rosamond said. “We had to take the longer way back. We needed more time to climb above the mountains.”
It was only after landing in Fresno that they were able to do a proper count. There were 102 people crammed onboard.
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^----- Am I seeing them light the blackburn right across at least one structure and what appears to be a parking lot or paved campground area?
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Yep. and it looks like Oregon rather than California to me. If this will blow up, we'll know something.
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'You watch, it'll get cooler. I don't think science knows': Trump hits back when California Gov. Newsom tells him 'climate change is real' as they meet for wildfire talks under smoke-filled Sacramento sky
President Donald Trump pushed for aggressive forest management to combat the wildfires on the West Coast Monday but California Gov. Gavin Newsom told him climate change is real and behind the destructive blazes.
'There has to be good strong forest management. So hopefully they'll start doing that,' Trump said when he landed in Sacramento.
He argued forest management could do a lot to help. Many Democrats, including Califorina Gov. Gavin Newsom, have blamed climate change for the fires.
We come from a perspective, humbly, where we submit the science is in and observed evidence is self-evident -- that climate change is real,' Newsom told Trump in a briefing on the fires. The president has denied climate change in the past.
Trump also clashed with another official at the briefing - Wade Crowfoot, the state's secretary for natural resources - who also said climate change was real.
'We've had temperatures explode this summer. We broke a record in the Death Valley, 130 degrees,' Crowfoot said, prompting Trump to turn to his right, smirk, and say something indistinguishable to Newsom.
'We're seeing this warming trend make our summers warmer and our winters warmer. We want to work with you to recognize our changing climate. If we ignore that science and out our heads in the sand and think it's all anbout vegetation management, we're not going to succeed in protecting Californians.
Trump replied: 'OK. It'll start getting cooler. You just watch.'
Crowfoot replied: 'I wish science agreed with you.' - to which Trump said, laughing: 'I don't think science knows actually.'
Trump has been focused on forest management as the key to solving the fires.
'When trees fall down after a short period of time they become very dry — really like a matchstick... and they can explode. Also leaves. When you have dried leaves on the ground it's just fuel for the fires,' Trump said.
He said other nations use forest management successfully.
'You go to Europe,' he said. 'They're very, very strong on management, and they don't have a problem. They really don't have, with, as they say, more explosive trees than we have in California.'
'You go to many different countries. I was talking to the head of a foreign country and they said, 'We consider ourselves a forest nation. We have trees that are far more explosive than they have in California and we don't have that problem,' he noted.
Great photos if you click to view the article.
President Donald Trump pushed for aggressive forest management to combat the wildfires on the West Coast Monday but California Gov. Gavin Newsom told him climate change is real and behind the destructive blazes.
'There has to be good strong forest management. So hopefully they'll start doing that,' Trump said when he landed in Sacramento.
He argued forest management could do a lot to help. Many Democrats, including Califorina Gov. Gavin Newsom, have blamed climate change for the fires.
We come from a perspective, humbly, where we submit the science is in and observed evidence is self-evident -- that climate change is real,' Newsom told Trump in a briefing on the fires. The president has denied climate change in the past.
Trump also clashed with another official at the briefing - Wade Crowfoot, the state's secretary for natural resources - who also said climate change was real.
'We've had temperatures explode this summer. We broke a record in the Death Valley, 130 degrees,' Crowfoot said, prompting Trump to turn to his right, smirk, and say something indistinguishable to Newsom.
'We're seeing this warming trend make our summers warmer and our winters warmer. We want to work with you to recognize our changing climate. If we ignore that science and out our heads in the sand and think it's all anbout vegetation management, we're not going to succeed in protecting Californians.
Trump replied: 'OK. It'll start getting cooler. You just watch.'
Crowfoot replied: 'I wish science agreed with you.' - to which Trump said, laughing: 'I don't think science knows actually.'
Trump has been focused on forest management as the key to solving the fires.
'When trees fall down after a short period of time they become very dry — really like a matchstick... and they can explode. Also leaves. When you have dried leaves on the ground it's just fuel for the fires,' Trump said.
He said other nations use forest management successfully.
'You go to Europe,' he said. 'They're very, very strong on management, and they don't have a problem. They really don't have, with, as they say, more explosive trees than we have in California.'
'You go to many different countries. I was talking to the head of a foreign country and they said, 'We consider ourselves a forest nation. We have trees that are far more explosive than they have in California and we don't have that problem,' he noted.
Great photos if you click to view the article.
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Smoke from US fires reaches Europe
Smoke from wildfires in the western United States reached not only the eastern coast of the country but also a number of states in northern Europe
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According to American scientists, the weather is favorable for the spread of smoke to the east, The Associated Press reported.
“At times, a fair amount of smoke is superimposed on the air currents in the upper layers, which provides a general trend across the country. Now it is happening again,” said Matt Solum of the US National Weather Service in Salt Lake City, Utah.
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