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[Fluff]

Nigel Farage and Reform are any viable options as PM and to form a government?

Personally don’t hold a grudge against one of the Brexit architect though it is criticized today by some of our British members here. Immigration went up, inflation also. To his defense though; Covid and Ukraine passed by and said hello world…

right now it looks like it will be reform and nigel as PM. I'd say the Japan vote also pushes us to the view that you can vote against the left wing and win.

 

[Jake84]

right now it looks like it will be reform and nigel as PM. I'd say the Japan vote also pushes us to the view that you can vote against the left wing and win.

The list goes on, Italy, Argentina, the US… we’ll see how things pan out about a possible Reform govt but to be fair much like the National Rally here while meaning probably well I am not that confident as TheKiwi pointed out about their ability to govern.

We’ve tried near everything in the past century, from Stalin to Hitler and the Khmer rouges… this 21st one was also off to an "interesting start" when those Boeings flew into the Trade towers and pentagon…

 

[Fluff]

The list goes on, Italy, Argentina, the US… we’ll see how things pan out about a possible Reform govt but to be fair much like the National Rally here while meaning probably well I am not that confident as TheKiwi pointed out about their ability to govern.

We’ve tried near everything in the past century, from Stalin to Hitler and the Khmer rouges… this 21st one was also off to an "interesting start" when those Boeings flew into the Trade towers and pentagon…

I understand the point - lack of experience, but really does the current and previous UK Governments shout 'well managed'? We are a shambles - and yet we are 4/5the largest economy, best mates with USA, out of EU and free to make out own way, nuclear armed, lots of good points, but our country looks like we are 3rd world and failing.

 

[Jake84]

Agreed on all accounts and that also applies to France minus the free of Brussels "diktats."

There’s a sadly accurate meme about both our countries that isn’t worth sharing again; France and the UK looking to rule the world then vs you stole my fishes…

The demise of our empires paired with strong wokism, entitlement and muh slavery and colonialism is just biting us in the arse.

 

[Mike1976]

We’ve tried near everything in the past century, from Stalin to Hitler and the Khmer rouges…

Those three are all on the same side of the spectrum though. Socialism never works for very long for most people (ironic).

 

[Mike1976]

France and the UK looking to rule the world then vs you stole my fishes…

You'd prefer to be slapped around by the (Royal) Navy some more like in the good old days?

 

[Musashi]

right now it looks like it will be reform and nigel as PM. I'd say the Japan vote also pushes us to the view that you can vote against the left wing and win.

I don’t know what Japan has to do with that. Since the capitulation of Japan in 1945, the left had ruled that country for less than 7 years in total.
The party that won the last election has been in power since 2012.

List of prime ministers of Japan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Japan doesn’t follow any voting trends in Europe or the U.S.A.

 

[Jake84]

You'd prefer to be slapped around by the (Royal) Navy some more like in the good old days?

LOL - awww I’m literally shaking.

The central point I was making was that both France and the UK were once large and important powers and that literally isn’t the case today.

 

[Mark Sman]

LOL - awww I’m literally shaking.

The central point I was making was that both France and the UK were once large and important powers and that literally isn’t the case today.

Economically pretty important.

 

[Fluff]

'UK has been colonised by immigrants', says INEOS boss and Man Utd co-owner Sir Jim Ratcliffe

In an interview with Sky News's Ed Conway, Sir Jim says Britain faces profound political, social and economic challenges, among them an unprecedented rise in immigration in recent years.

news.sky.com

 

[Mike1976]

Afghan asylum seeker guilty of raping girl, 12, in Nuneaton

The 12-year-old suffered "extremely horrific sexual offences" in the Nuneaton attack, police say.

www.bbc.com

 

[Musashi]

Afghan asylum seeker guilty of raping girl, 12, in Nuneaton

The 12-year-old suffered "extremely horrific sexual offences" in the Nuneaton attack, police say.

www.bbc.com

It happened just 4 miles from my home.

Afghan man found guilty of abducting and raping 12-year-old girl from Nuneaton

The jury has returned their verdict at Warwick Crown Court

www.coventrytelegraph.net

 

[Ivan le Fou]

On a more positive note.

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[muck]

I don't think Farage could organise a beer and a BJ in a brothel with a bar. But there are at least a number of ex-conservative members in his party that at least have experience in being part of a government - even if that government were some of the flakiest in modern British history.

Honestly? The Reform people are probably better suited to governance than the Tory defectors, and their new comrades will treat them accordingly. Nigel Farage may gloat all he want about the likes of Robert Jenrick flocking to his banner, but the fact is no one likes defectors.

And though Farage strikes me as a man without morals and common decency, it has to be said he possesses a natural instinct for politics. He will not forget those defectors only came to him—as traitors—after the Tories had been brought to their knees, and with a mind to be rewarded with posts in a potential Reform government.

Just look at Jeremy Corbyn's "Your Party" or BSW in Germany. Defectors have a short life span in the parliamentary system …

right now it looks like it will be reform and nigel as PM. I'd say the Japan vote also pushes us to the view that you can vote against the left wing and win.

It seems to me it all depends on Starmer's immediate future. Understandable though their desire to see Starmer fall may be, the political right in the UK could be in for a rough awakening if they continue to put all their eggs into that basket. Labour will not call an election, they don't have to do it, and why should they? And the sobering fact is that Starmer is being punished in the polls for not being red enough.

His potential replacement would to move the Labour party to the left again. They have more than three years to try and win back some of the voters lost to the Greens (and Reform, too). Reform's current roll could easily lose a lot of steam over time. I wager Farage would rather run against that pale muppet Starmer in 2029, than against a red ideologue well-liked by Labour and the left voter.

 

[Gaz]

I don't particularly disagree that sheer volume of immigrants is causing issues in the UK because we don't have the money to deal with it all but Jim Ratcliffe complaining about immigrants costing the UK too much whilst he's an immigrant to Monaco to avoid paying taxes in the UK?

 

[muck]

I don't particularly disagree that sheer volume of immigrants is causing issues in the UK because we don't have the money to deal with it all but Jim Ratcliffe complaining about immigrants costing the UK too much whilst he's an immigrant to Monaco to avoid paying taxes in the UK?

Also, let's not forget that businesspeople are usually advocates of liberal migration policies.

I'd be surprised if Ratcliffe had always been this critical of mass migration.

 

[Fluff]

Honestly? The Reform people are probably better suited to governance than the Tory defectors, and their new comrades will treat them accordingly. Nigel Farage may gloat all he want about the likes of Robert Jenrick flocking to his banner, but the fact is no one likes defectors.

And though Farage strikes me as a man without morals and common decency, it has to be said he possesses a natural instinct for politics. He will not forget those defectors only came to him—as traitors—after the Tories had been brought to their knees, and with a mind to be rewarded with posts in a potential Reform government.

Just look at Jeremy Corbyn's "Your Party" or BSW in Germany. Defectors have a short life span in the parliamentary system …

It seems to me it all depends on Starmer's immediate future. Understandable though their desire to see Starmer fall may be, the political right in the UK could be in for a rough awakening if they continue to put all their eggs into that basket. Labour will not call an election, they don't have to do it, and why should they? And the sobering fact is that Starmer is being punished in the polls for not being red enough.

His potential replacement would to move the Labour party to the left again. They have more than three years to try and win back some of the voters lost to the Greens (and Reform, too). Reform's current roll could easily lose a lot of steam over time. I wager Farage would rather run against that pale muppet Starmer in 2029, than against a red ideologue well-liked by Labour and the left voter.

I may have said, right now U.K. may be better to keep Starmer in power. If he goes I’d expect Angela raynor to win the vote, she is hard left and low intelligence, pair her with lammy, no right wing labour then exists. They would go hard left, higher taxes, no defense spending, rejoin eu, high migration. But the outcome at the next election would almost certainly be a win for farage. So either way at the moment farage wins. Unless he does some dumb stuff….

 

[colin traveller]

Sums up the Labour Vermin to a T ,

 

[Musashi]

I may have said, right now U.K. may be better to keep Starmer in power. If he goes I’d expect Angela raynor to win the vote, she is hard left and low intelligence, pair her with lammy, no right wing labour then exists. They would go hard left, higher taxes, no defense spending, rejoin eu, high migration. But the outcome at the next election would almost certainly be a win for farage. So either way at the moment farage wins. Unless he does some dumb stuff….

Wikipedia says she got pregnant at the age of 16.

 

[Musashi]

'UK has been colonised by immigrants', says INEOS boss and Man Utd co-owner Sir Jim Ratcliffe

In an interview with Sky News's Ed Conway, Sir Jim says Britain faces profound political, social and economic challenges, among them an unprecedented rise in immigration in recent years.

news.sky.com