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[Usemame]

The deflection that the idiot was improperly licensed poisoned your tree to begin with.

Improperly licenced? How so?

 

[Newtonk]

A sack of potatoes would make great French fries. Mmmmm, French fries,,,,

 

[Usemame]

Likewise, a bolt-action rifle isn't any less dangerous compared to a semi – particularly not in the hands of someone who bothered training.

Ffs. I've used both enough to know that with a large group of targets, especially at close range, a semi with a large capacity magazine is going to hit many more of them at a faster rate. If you want to deny that you should let the army know.

 

[Newtonk]

Improperly licenced? How so?

His so called referees were people he’d met off of the interweb, not the best place to start...

 

[Usemame]

Then in your words it has gone to far, because all semi automatic centrefire firearms are in the prohibited catergory.

Yes. I agree that goes too far and serves no useful purpose. I'll accept it if it's the price of getting centrefire semi rifles that will accept a large capacity magazine out of circulation.

 

[Usemame]

His so called referees were people he’d met off of the interweb, not the best place to start...

So, he had a proper licence then. And attended gun clubs. A model law abiding gun owner.

 

[TheKiwi]

Yes. I agree that goes too far and serves no useful purpose. I'll accept it if it's the price of getting centrefire semi rifles that will accept a large capacity magazine out of circulation.

Then all they had to was ban semi autos that accept large mags - instead of the law that was created which does no such thing. It's a half baked law conjured up by half-witted people who think that words are the same thing as actions and it won't even achieve half of the things they dream it will. Or in other words, it's a perfect exemplar of Jacinda.

 

[Usemame]

Why would you discriminate against AK action, technically speaking? You could use the same action with magazine similar to BAR posted above.

It was merely the example given. The AR derivatives and the M14 derivatives are likewise candidates for the same discrimination. As to switching or adapting magazines, that is extremely tricky and complex. One is going to need a lot of skill and knowledge to do that, probably enough to build one's own firearm from scratch anyway. People who can do that can evade the effect of the legislation, given.

 

[Usemame]

Then all they had to was ban semi autos that accept large mags - instead of the law that was created which does no such thing. It's a half baked law conjured up by half-witted people who think that words are the same thing as actions and it won't even achieve half of the things they dream it will. Or in other words, it's a perfect exemplar of Jacinda.

I believe semis that accept large mags are (effectively) banned. The law has done such a thing.

 

[Usemame]

It's a half baked law conjured up by half-witted people who think that words are the same thing as actions and it won't even achieve half of the things they dream it will.

Well, for one thing, owners of such weapons will no longer be able to practice on public ranges without drawing attention. That's a huge step to reducing the likelihood/incidence of mass killings.

 

[Usemame]

How can you prevent a rifle from accepting a large capacity magazine if it accepts detachable magazines, wouldn't it be more sensible just to ban detachable magazines?

What, you mean weld a magazine to each weapon? No, I don't think that's more sensible. Perhaps you're thinking of another scenario, making them single shot?

 

[TheKiwi]

I believe semis that accept large mags are (effectively) banned. The law has done such a thing.

Just like our laws banning drugs have (effectively) banned meth. Why no-one can get hold of it at all now. Like I said, a perfect example of the Jacinda government in action where they have a delusion that words are the same as doing something. She's only got maybe three competent people in her whole government and she's not even one of them.

 

[NZM305]

I believe semis that accept large mags are (effectively) banned. The law has done such a thing.

But this is the common misconception....... they aren't banned, they have been made a Prohibited Firearm which just makes them harder to get if you are following the law. They are still out there, the law hasn't made semi autos magically not exist.

 

[PEMM]

What, you mean weld a magazine to each weapon? No, I don't think that's more sensible. Perhaps you're thinking of another scenario, making them single shot?

Hmm, not really. Here is a an example of two variants of BAR:

One easily takes in a large detachable magazine, other doesn't.

As to switching or adapting magazines, that is extremely tricky and complex. One is going to need a lot of skill and knowledge to do that, probably enough to build one's own firearm from scratch anyway. People who can do that can evade the effect of the legislation, given.

It was merely the example given. The AR derivatives and the M14 derivatives are likewise candidates for the same discrimination.

My question is specifically against your aversion to certain types of action. Those "civilian" export variants had consctruction based on the old legislation (or current legislation elsewhere). I am not talking about individuals modifying their rifles. It's not unreasonable to assume that same companies could create a variant meeting the new requirements. So hypothetically if someone brings to a market rifle that uses action from a rifle that was first a military rifle, but meets all the other requirements, what is the reasoning to ban it. Or to rephrase: what additional danger does it add that it's based on a military rifle.

 

[Usemame]

But this is the common misconception....... they aren't banned, they have been made a Prohibited Firearm which just makes them harder to get if you are following the law. They are still out there, the law hasn't made semi autos magically not exist.

(effectively) banned. Very few people are going to get one, even following the law. They're just not going to be approved. This has been made crystal clear, one would have thought.

 

[Usemame]

Just like our laws banning drugs have (effectively) banned meth.

You see anyone smoking meth on your last visit to the range?

 

[Usemame]

Or to rephrase: what additional danger does it add that it's based on a military rifle.

'Military style semi automatic' is a term used to describe the vast majority of semi auto rifles which will accept large detachable magazines. Please, where ever I have used the phrase 'Military style semi automatic', replace it with the phrase 'semi auto rifles which will accept large detachable magazines'.

 

[Jake84]

You see anyone smoking meth on your last visit to the range?

Sorry but you’re being purposely obtuse here. He’s doing an analogy on how a ban on drugs worked so well for NZ or Australia (it’s sarcasm in case you missed it) and how a ban on firearms (AR-15 or others) will no doubt stop criminals from being criminals in NZ (Sarcasm x2).

 

[PEMM]

'Military style semi automatic' is a term used to describe the vast majority of semi auto rifles which will accept large detachable magazines. Please, where ever I have used the phrase 'Military style semi automatic', replace it with the phrase 'semi auto rifles which will accept large detachable magazines'.

So you are saying that you don't really have a problem with AK or AR based rifles as long as they meet the other requirements.

 

[PEMM]

Likewise, a bolt-action rifle isn't any less dangerous compared to a semi – particularly not in the hands of someone who bothered training. People are always like: Why does the military not use bolt-action rifles then? Yet still the Axis concquered a quarter of the planet employing bolt-action rifles. The degree to which the handling of a semi-automatic rifle is less complicated is obviously not that relevant in practice.

Definitely disagree with you there muck. Axis worked during era when most other militaries also used bolt action rifles. And when it comes to military operations there obviously are many other matters at play than simply your rifle.

Here is a very good explanation of the differences:

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