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Diman...please...as if there wasn't crime, hunger, ruin during the glorious days of the Soviet Union.
it was so bad Lish after war, civil, and after World War II
 
I can't possibly say enough bad about communism. SW

I have a Hungarian friend whose entire family ended up in jail thanks to the communist party in the 70s. I can assure you that if he met you he'd buy you all the beer in the world :)
 
There was a choice: Either totalitarian communistic system, or colony of a great Reich and destruction of the most part of the population

And damned communists, in 1945, brought to suicide of the duly elected German chancellor
 
If you're pro commie, I choose to ignore all your posts in the future. I can't possibly say enough bad about communism. SW


I'm not entirely pro-communist,I also like capitalism's freedom.
But you are that anti-communist then I'd hereby like to kindly ask you to please talk to my middle finger.Its more appropiate,thank you.


I have lived a part of the life at communism, and saw equalities more than under capitalism now! People had a work, free education, medicine, we were proud of the country. And the first that has occurred when communism has fallen and there has come capitalism, it is hunger, crime, ruin, instead of the power of communists with the ideas, oligarchs with thirst of a profit have come! I don't understand than the power of oligarchs or and clans of hereditary politicians, it is better than communism?


I don't think greed driven people like @NerbHogger would understand the bigger picture.

Phoenix, you got it wrong, both communism and capitalism. By the way, there's no more communism in Russia these days, actually it never was. Socialism, yes, a police state, yes. Not communism. Communism is what the Soviet might established after the war in the Eastern block countries including mine. I won't give you history class here, only an example. How exactly do you want me to be equal with some hillbilly who doesn't know how to read because despite education being for free here where I live he didn't go to school and since then he's been leecheng off from the social system into which flow the taxes I pay from my salary because I have learned how to read not only in mine but other two languages and worked hard to get where I am now. Because I can assure you that by equal Marx didn't mean - and I can't stress this enough - you and the comrades in the leading party. Not to mention that his theory about economics is bullshit - as one would expect from someone like that. We learned the hard way what equal in communism means: the state confiscates everything you have and gives it to someone else. I'm not the upper class, remind you and I rather work 10 hours a day, pay the taxes and bitch about polititians and buy a flat, a car, guns (yeah baby :p ) a trip to the mountains than give all that away to some lowlife because the law says so. Not the guns of course, those wouldn't be allowed. As for the video above, yeah as if Putin hasn't mistreated anyone in his life. Why isn't that comrade rotting in jail? If you think that it is okay if a polititian should be the only authority, that's the base for dictatorship. Mate, I get it. You're young, idealistic... but your country went through some awful turmoils, you should know better.

1st bolded part - Education is compulsory.
2nd bolded part - If he doesn't work,he would get punished and even killed.A dead human is better than a useless one.
3rd bolded part - Obviously if you posses more than you deserve,its illegal.Work up the grid and then get luxuries.I don't think Commusist gov would take things from you if you have a high post,and a very efficient worker.
4th bolded part - Isn't that illegal? And which one(s) ?
5th bolded part - Not if the politician is elected by the people and the poeple can revolt and put him down ( most major Communist countries are formed after a revolution )
6th bolded part - During those turmoils,the majority of the ones who stood by us when we were being oppressed were these communists and the majority of those who stood against us ( Uncle Sam even sent their largest 7th expedition fleet to fight us )


I have a Hungarian friend whose entire family ended up in jail thanks to the communist party in the 70s. I can assure you that if he met you he'd buy you all the beer in the world :)

Maybe they were too lazy or did a crime? Laws are much stricter in communist countries to make people too scared to commit crimes.

Diman...please...as if there wasn't crime, hunger, ruin during the glorious days of the Soviet Union.


Atleast the whole population suffered together,not the lower classes as in capitalist ones.

Kira.
 
Diman. From what I've learned, the nazi regime was brought down by the allied forces.

You know that ww2 started in '39? Right? Stalin rose to power after Lenin's death in 1924 and we're talking about the Stalinist state since 1929. And don't forget about the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. All that renders your choice-argument purely academic.
 
You know nothing Jon Sno... I mean Phoenix ;)

For what is worth: what you think you know about communism in your last comment is an ilusion. Communism is a totalitarian regime, in my country it ruined lives of entire families... nothing more. Put that into your bolded parts.
 
Forgive I didn't think that you consider that communism and Nazism are equivalent
Stalin didn't sign the Munich agreement in 1938 when your country was betrayed by the western allies

In December, 1933 the governments of France and the USSR made common offering about the conclusion of the agreement on collective security in Europe. Offers to join the agreement of Germany, Great Britain, Finland, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania were made. The draft agreement received the name "East Pact". East pact didn't manage to be performed because of refusal of Germany and Poland to participate in it. In March, 1934 Poland signed the nonaggression pact which became to one of the first foreign policy progress of the government of Hitler with the national socialist mode.

On May 21 the Polish ambassador in Paris Lukasiewicz assured the US Ambassador in France of the Bullet that Poland will immediately declare war of the USSR if he tries to direct troops through the Polish territory for the help to Czechoslovakia.

Poland has taken part in the partition of Czechoslovakia: On September 21, 1938, in the heat of the Sudeten crisis, the Polish figures have delivered to Czechs the ultimatum about "return" of the Teshinsky region to them where 80 thousand Poles and 120 thousand Czechs lived.
 
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Diman it is nice how you mind the facts that don't suit you. I've noticed that since we've discussed war in Ukraine. Okay. So let's play your game: what about 1968? Please tell me that the armies of four countries under the leadership of USSR came to my country to help save us from NATO terrorists... jesus.
 
To the day with the conclusion of the Munich agreement, on September 30, Poland sent to Prague the next ultimatum and along with the German troops entered the army into the Teshinsky region, a subject of territorial disputes between it and Czechoslovakia in 1918 — 1920. Having remained in the international isolation, the Czechoslovak government was forced to accept ultimatum conditions
 
Diman it is nice how you mind the facts that don't suit you. I've noticed that since we've discussed war in Ukraine. Okay. So let's play your game: what about 1968? Please tell me that the armies of four countries under the leadership of USSR came to my country to help save us from NATO terrorists... jesus.

And I don't justify these actions!
1968 it was proud of a mistake and this way it was impossible to act
 
Wait a sec. Do you... do you actually copy and paste some sort of wikipedia? No.
 
Wait a sec. Do you... do you actually copy and paste some sort of wikipedia? No.
to my shame yes, sources in Russian to translate Google the translator it turns out badly

if you are ready to accept my arguments in Russian that everything would be simpler for me but it is more difficult for people around
 
Diman, no problem, I accept the copy and paste thing it just looks funny... I mean like a shootout at the range, if you follow me. I do not accept the point of your arguments, however, and I never will. It only reminds me that Russia hasn't changed since Peter the Great very much.

Oh. And I do read Azbuka... a little... ;)
 
Diman, no problem, I accept the copy and paste thing it just looks funny... I mean like a shootout at the range, if you follow me. I do not accept the point of your arguments, however, and I never will. It only reminds me that Russia hasn't changed since Peter the Great very much.

Oh. And I do read Azbuka... a little... ;)

Alas, I ask forgiveness for my bad knowledge of English, to me copy and paste is really simpler
We such what are, and it seems to me it is not the worst option from possible...
 
Phoenix, one more thing, I have just noticed your middle finger talk. Being young doesn't mean being stupid. Don't be. NebrHogger is anti-commie... you're a fan of oppresive regimes, there's some potential for a love/hate relationship. But keep it civil if you can.
 
Diman,

I have no problem with you or your posts - I have Russian friends and understand how Russia fought desperately to defeat hitler. Praise God that monster is dead!! I go to Europe often and hope to visit Russia some day.

My problem is the thought communism is good.

Stalin was good? How many innocent Russians were whisked away in the middle of the night never to be seen again? Pol Pot was good? If someone can explain why he felt it was necessary to commit genocide against his own country, I will learn much. Mao was good? I believe there are many thousands of Chinese who would refute that idea... if they were still alive.

It's a long list. Name a communist leader, and you will find a murderer. SW
 
to Mao's appearance China was the mighty power?
Try to ask Chinese about Mao, Russians about Stalin, will be so more honest
and yes among communistic ldider of bloody tyrants was much

Without bloody tyrant Stalin my country wouldn't be, other ideology couldn't resist to a gitlir

why my country is loved by neighbors when it is weak and helpless?
Which governors of Russia love in the West hate in Russia....
we an eternal horror story for your authorities, the Incentive to development because of fear, it is good or badly I don't know
 
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Phoenix, one more thing, I have just noticed your middle finger talk. Being young doesn't mean being stupid. Don't be. NebrHogger is anti-commie... you're a fan of oppresive regimes, there's some potential for a love/hate relationship. But keep it civil if you can.

Quite right @saiga and thank you for raising that whilst I slept.
@phoenix a difference of opinion does not make another member your enemy nor does it mean you can begin to use insults or profanity.
Make your argument (thats expected) but keep it civil if you please
 
I don't think Stalin and Mao absolute evil as you think
I do not condone the evil they have committed but in many ways they had a huge favor to your country
you don't see the difference between Stalin and Pol pot
and I don't see the difference between Clinton and Trump
but there are differences and they are huge
it's a different Outlook and mentality
PS:
Pol pot destroyed the Communist Vietnam
 
Phoenix
welcome to a friendly family of the world evil!!!!
over time you get used and you do not awake is angry with them :cool:
 

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