Soviet 'Ultra Bullpup' Rifle: TKB-22

[Bashabasher]

Nice Gun but does anyone have an idea how it works?, Becouse the Magazine is too far back.


http://pookieweb.dyndns.org:61129/Groza/bullpups/Korobov-TKB-022PM.jpg

http://pookieweb.dyndns.org:61129/Groza/bullpups/korobov1.jpg




http://pookieweb.dyndns.org:61129/Groza/images.htm

[Reloader]

Looks very Flash Gordon to me!

[Braith-Wafer]

The 'Uzigrip' version of it, I take it this one works totally different than the bullpup carbine variant.

http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/data/532/TKB-0221.JPG

Still trying to find out how this one works as there is no space behind the bolt.
http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/data/531/Bullpup.JPG

[SuperSLime]

Nice Gun but does anyone have an idea how it works?, Becouse the Magazine is too far back.

It's quite simple. The special effects department edit in the muzzle flash after the scene has been filmed.

You don't seriously expect anyone to believe that THAT is a real Soviet weapon, do you?

[Stoats]

Slime,


He has posted these pictures on a number of forums over the last year, and has received exactly the same scathing responses each time. They say that a sign of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result each time. This certainly seems to fall within that formulation...


BB,


PROP GUNS and CONCEPT MOCKUPS are not real guns, particularly if their operation is a physical impossibility, hence are of LIMITED INTEREST. Please, get over them, and get over yourself.

[Bombardier]

It seems to me that the posting of a weapon that cannot possibly work is a waste of time and effort, if this had been posted by anybody else except your self Im sure it would have been because they honestly thought that it was a real weapon and wanted info about it.

As its you though and you should by now realise that it is not real, i ask you to stop posting them as they will confuse people who do not have the knowledge to know better.

If you must post them, and hope you dont...make sure it is made quite clear that they are not real.

[Drone_pilot]

well Mr Braith-Wafer, Bashabasher, or Bishopbasher, who/what ever you are, this forum was originatly created by god himself for people to store photos,images that would never see the light of day ( see http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/member.php?uid=20&protype=1)

If your going to post toy's and such please as Bombardier says, say so.

In fact i have just banned one of your alter ego's
Bashabasher

[Braith-Wafer]

I would like to know more about the bullpup weapon but i still havent found out yet, I do believe it is real becouse it has been discussed well before i had a computer and before i first used forums. The weapon was designed by G A. Korobov who invented the real working TKB-408 bullpup.

Max Popenker, The owner of the famous world.guns.ru site has mentioned the TKB-022 on the Steyr AUG page. It may have been a semiauto/manually operated weapon afterall.
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as20-e.htm

I might send him an email about it and bring the results here soon.

[SuperSLime]

I do believe it is real becouse it has been discussed well before i had a computer and before i first used forums.

Get a grip. It doesn't even have an ejection port! The Soviets did not design ridiculous weapons, and this thing is worse than ridiculous. Look at it:

1. Exposed mechanism at the bottom.

2. Magazine at the extreme rear, where even if the weapon DID function (it won't) the change in balance as ammo is used would be maximised.

3. Flimsy, sheet metal sights.

4. Ridiculous mag release catch.

I'm quite sure that there was a Korobov TKB-22, but this is not it. Going by the TKB-408 I'd say that Korobov, unlike you, had some clue about firearms design.

This weapon, like your military service - still on your profile despite your PM to me - is NOT REAL. Stop posting prop guns and fantasy crap; life's too short to waste on your nonsense.

[Drone_pilot]

It's also made from Bakelite one of the earliest and most easly broken forms of plastic.

[plasticmag]

Hello all,

I don't claim to know anything about this rifle, but it is indeed real. Here it is in a display case in a military museum (I believe in St. Petersburg, I saved the photo and forgot to check the location):
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v107/TheManWithThePlasticMag/Forum%20Use%20Pictures/a_3383.jpg

Bottom of the image. The weapons designer was a fan of bullpups, that is well established. Personally, I can think of only one way for the weapon to work, basically pulling the bullet out of the magazine and into a chamber IN FRONT OF the magazine, but it is idle speculation because we don't have any diagrams.

Here it is again in this image, middle bottom:
http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/data/531/Soviet21.JPG

Same museum, it appears.

[SuperSLime]

Well, well, what a surprise!

You're back already. All right, I assume you're referring to the "ultra bull pup" prop gun which one of your other sock puppets originally created this thread to discuss.

I don't claim to know anything about this rifle, but it is indeed real.

No, it's NOT real. We have told you that in all your previous incarnations.

Personally, I can think of only one way for the weapon to work, basically pulling the bullet out of the magazine and into a chamber IN FRONT OF the magazine

You'll find that most weapons have the chamber "IN FRONT OF" the magazine. Anyway, there is NO WAY that this piece of sh*t would work. It doesn't have an ejection port. There is no space for a recoil spring behind the bolt. There is no space for the bolt to pick up a round.

IT IS NOT REAL. Now stop posting this crap. Nobody is interested.

[plasticmag]

I don't know the original poster, sorry. I was trawling the web for pictures of this rifle and google links me here.

Thank you for your warm welcome, however.

*edit - to clarify, I didn't mean just the chamber - I'm well aware of how firearms tend to work. What is meant here is a system where the firing pin is in front of the magazine as well. It's hard to visualize, but imagine an arm pulling the bullet out, into the chamber, and the firing pin sits in front of magazine (perhaps over the feed lips) and moves forward to strike the bullet.

That said, I have no idea how it works, and without internal diagrams it's all academic. My post was merely to say that "Hey, there's a real one of these in a display case, surrounded by functional firearms!" - Again, thanks for the warm and friendly welcoming, from the warm and happy new guy...

[SuperSLime]

I don't know the original poster, sorry. I was trawling the web for pictures of this rifle and google links me here.

What a coincidence that you were trawling for pictures of this abortion the day after the original poster got himself banned for, er, using multiple IDs and wittering on about fantasy guns.

Thank you for your warm welcome, however.

Don't mention it.

I'm well aware of how firearms tend to work.

I doubt it, because...

What is meant here is a system where the firing pin is in front of the magazine as well. It's hard to visualize, but imagine an arm pulling the bullet out, into the chamber, and the firing pin sits in front of magazine (perhaps over the feed lips) and moves forward to strike the bullet.

Why would anyone bother to design something so absurd?

Anyway. If you look on this thread started by the "original poster" in one of his numerous personalities:

Korobov TKB-517: A 'Would Have Been'

There is the exact same image, from the exact same Russian publication, as the one YOU posted HERE. Coincidence? You decide!

[plasticmag]

I'm well aware it's the same image (that was part of the point - you're arguing against a gun being real, when another picture of the gun is on these very boards), and I'm not sticking up for whoever the original poster is - he IS a nutter from all I can see.

That said, look at the other guns this guy designed. Korobov's nuts, and I have no idea how half of his guns work, but as far as I know all are functional - I've seen a firing video of the stamped steel/wood one, I may even have it on VHS here someplace, and it's pretty darn nifty.

Look, my point isn't to try to convince you it's a functional gun - I don't even know how it works, so how could I? I just wanted to post to say that "Here's another picture of it, in the same museum." That picture is from a firearms museum with all sorts of *real* guns. Functional or not, it is real, and did at least make it to prototype stage.

Here are more examples of his work:

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3434/weirdgun1zt9.jpg
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/8969/wierdgun2dm3.jpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/7194/rippergunjr2.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1994/rippergun2cs2.jpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3967/rippergun3uw3.jpg

*edit - and here a gunauthor on MP.net (I'm registered there under the same name, and have been for some time), name Remov, acknowledges the gun. I've already asked him for more details.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=109590

[SuperSLime]

I'm well aware it's the same image (that was part of the point - you're arguing against a gun being real, when another picture of the gun is on these very boards)

You just contradicted yourself because it's NOT another picture, is it? It's the SAME image.

he IS a nutter from all I can see.


Yes.

That said, look at the other guns this guy designed. Korobov's nuts, and I have no idea how half of his guns work, but as far as I know all are functional - I've seen a firing video of the stamped steel/wood one, I may even have it on VHS here someplace, and it's pretty darn nifty.

I know that the TKB-408 was a real weapon, but it wasn't very good and never got adopted.

Look, if you know anything about the military then my user name will tell you what I do for a living. I consider myself an expert on small-arms (and other military equipment), especially Eastern-bloc ones.

Those "TKB-022" models ARE NOT REAL. Neither of them is usable. The one with the mag at the back could NOT function; it is not physically possible. Anyway, why would anyone want a weapon like that? There is no reason for its existence. As for the one with the mag doubling as the pistol grip... no. Just, no.

Weapons designers sometimes make mistakes, but they do not produce useless, shitty abortions. These are prop guns, not real.

In the unlikely event that you are not Braith-Walter, didn't you get the idea from reading this that we all know these are not real guns and we don't want our time wasted with them?

[Drone_pilot]

Weapons designers sometimes make mistakes,
Look at the SA-80 for example.solaf

[SuperSLime]

Look at the SA-80 for example.solaf

Groan. Do I have to?

[Drone_pilot]

I think this guy answered your question

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1938449&postcount=15

[SuperSLime]

I think this guy answered your question

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1938449&postcount=15

Funny old thing, that.

All we have to do is sit through a bunch of old 1960s low-budget Soviet sci-fi films. Sooner or later we'll see the heroic Captain Ivanov of the Space Spetznaz, mowing down capitalist Martians with his TKB-22.

[Drone_pilot]

I wonder if like the SMG in Star wars can the TKB-22, be set on stun.

[SuperSLime]

I wonder if like the SMG in Star wars can the TKB-22, be set on stun.

Trying to explain why it couldn't work to a collection of sock puppets and mogadon-dodgers has certainly stunned me.

[plasticmag]

Indeed... Learn something new everyday - I wasn't sure which designer he was referring to (two are mentioned on the page), but apparently this was only a concept weapon (not even used for Sci-Fi) and they couldn't get the loading mechanism to work, so it's now at the Tula Arsenal Museum. Oh well, I'll continue trolling the internet for images, it's a nifty looking gun, even if it can't work.

[SuperSLime]

Oh well, I'll continue trolling the internet for images, it's a nifty looking gun, even if it can't work.

Yes, you keep on trolling.

[plasticmag]

I'm sorry, but what the hell is your problem? I don't know who the hell you think I am, but apparently your ex-lover left a huge stick up your a**.

[Drone_pilot]

Please keep it civil gentlemen, or ill close the topic, and start getting toughdrill;

[SuperSLime]

I'm sorry, but what the hell is your problem? I don't know who the hell you think I am, but apparently your ex-lover left a huge stick up your ass.





My problem is people who clutter up a military discussion page with pictures of butt-ugly, unfeasable fantasy weapons. We have had some issues here with idiots wittering on about "Soviet ultra-bullsh1t" weapons; you know, the sort of mongs who think that anything with more than one barrel is based on the Nordenfeldt (why not the Gardner or the Mitrailleuse??), that a "blowback minigun" is a good idea or that stupid-looking bakelite guns with no ejection port and the magazine in the buttplate are real.

I come to this site to look for information about real weapons. I don't want my time wasted with Walter Mitty stuff like that "TKB-022" or whatever the hell you call it.