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Rocky
02-11-06, 21:12
sal; It is stories like these that really piss me off. They told us the same **** in Nam about Agent Orange and look what belief in that story has cost us! I don't understand why our government continues to believe that we will believe what they tell us regarding such issues. Don't they realize that we have been burnt so many times with their lies that what they tell us now, no matter what it is, sends up red flags in our heads and we just wait for the other boot to fall and we learn the truth?


Depleted uranium risk 'ignored'
UK and US forces have continued to use depleted uranium weapons despite warnings they pose a cancer risk, a BBC investigation has found.


Scientists have pointed to health statistics in Iraq, where the weapons were used in the 1991 and 2003 wars.

A report by the World Health Organisation (WHO) in 2001 said they posed only a small contamination risk.

But a senior UN scientist said research showing how depleted uranium could cause cancer was withheld.

The UK Ministry of Defence said that there was no evidence linking depleted uranium use to ill health.

Depleted uranium is extremely dense and hard, and is used for armour-piercing bullets or shells.

Fears over health implications led to a study by the WHO in 2001.


"There is no scientific or medical evidence to link depleted uranium with the ill health of people living in the Gulf region." UK Ministry of Defence


Dr Mike Repacholi, who oversaw work on the report, told Angus Stickler of BBC Radio Four's Today programme that depleted uranium was "basically safe".

"You would have to ingest a huge amount of depleted uranium dust to cause any adverse health effect," he said.

'Risk from particles'

But Dr Keith Baverstock, who worked on the project, said research conducted by the US Department of Defense suggested otherwise.

DEPLETED URANIUM Has a reduced proportion of isotope Uranium-235
Less radioactive than natural uranium and very dense
Military uses include defensive armour plating, armour-penetrating ordnance
Can be inhaled as dust or ingested in contaminated food and water near impact sites
Used in Iraq, the former Yugoslavia


He described a process known as genotoxicity, which begins when depleted uranium dust is inhaled.

"The particles that dissolve pose a risk - part radioactive - and part from the chemical toxicity in the lung," he said.

Later, he said, the material enters the body and the blood stream, potentially affecting bone marrow, the lymphatic system and the kidneys.

The research was not included in the WHO report, and Dr Baverstock believes it was blocked.

Mr Repacholi said the findings were not collaborated by other reports and it was not WHO policy to publish "speculative" data. He denied any pressure was brought to bear.

But other senior scientists have pointed to worrying health statistics in Iraq, which show a rise in cancer and birth defects.

Prof Randy Parrish of the Isotope Geosciences Laboratory in the UK said environmental and health assessments were needed in Iraq to establish the facts.

Iraqi scientists trained by the UN are seeking to carry out such an assessment, but Henrik Slotte of the United Nations Environmental Programme said without clear information from the US on what was used and where, it was "like looking for a needle in a haystack".

He said there was "no indication" this information was forthcoming from the US.

A spokesman for the UK's Ministry of Defence, meanwhile, told the BBC that there was "no scientific or medical evidence" to link depleted uranium use to sickness in Iraq.

He said the MOD was aware of recent research into the effects of depleted uranium at cellular level, but that it had to be guided by "the professional advice of the Health Protection Agency and the International Commission on Radiological Protection". http://www.armyparatrooper.org/dropzone/images/smilies/newsmilies/drink.gif

Hollis
02-11-06, 22:54
It seems the insights of Rudyard Kipling's poem "Tommy" still holds true.

John A Silkstone
03-11-06, 08:47
It would appear that governments wait for 90% of the sick to die before taking action. This way there is less payment to be made to the remaining sick soldiers.

Silky

Bombardier
03-11-06, 09:03
A spokesman for the UK's Ministry of Defence, meanwhile, told the BBC that there was "no scientific or medical evidence" to link depleted uranium use to sickness in Iraq.


But people are dying, find the feckin scientific evidence you limp wristed pussies.........sorry bout dat

It would appear that governments wait for 90% of the sick to die before taking action. This way there is less payment to be made to the remaining sick soldiers.


You hit the nail on the head mate (Y)

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Rocky
03-11-06, 16:16
sal; The name of the game is 'Wait Them Out'. Plain and simple, the government is playing a waiting game with veterans. When a vet files a claim the powers that be go into operational mode to try and shuffle the claim around from one place to another in an attempt to cause the veteran to lose heart and allow the claim to drop. They send you a mass reply of legal statues that you probaby know nothing, or little, about and await your reply, which if not forthcoming due to not understanding what is required.

It appears that the government, in an attempt to save money, will go out of it's way to find ways to deny claims rather than ways to grant them when disability is deserved. Denial of such things as disabilities as a result of exposure to Agent Orange and radiation is just another way to deny veterans what they have earned through their service in the military. The statements of "we back our troops" should only be uttered with a tag applied that states, "as long as it does not cost us any money." :mad:

Hollis
03-11-06, 17:24
I first started reading about A/O around the late 70's. My primary unit in RVN was in a area where A/O was said to be most heaviest used according to a article written in the Oregonian in 1980 (Quang Tri Provence, Summer of 1969).

We have been steadily loosing member of our battalion. The slows........of the Government to addressed A/O did not help much for those vets who in the 70's and 80's need the help most.

I wonder if the societal attitude toward vets in the 70's added to the government in being slow. (Such as Kerry's remarks about troops being like Genghis Khan).