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John A Silkstone
31-07-06, 08:22
I’m not a big TV watcher and other than films, I tend to watch shows that will educate me in some way.
Last night I was on the computer when a head a lot of foul and abusive language coming from the TV in the living room. On investigation I found that my wife was skipping through the channels and had stopped on the show ‘Bad Lads Army’
For our overseas members who may not have seen this show, it’s about a group of young men who have a clash with the law and have volunteered to come on this show and find out what the army was like for discipline in the old days, as they say.
I was utterly amazed that a company could portray such rubbish and untruths and attempt to say that this was what really happened.
The language by the so called staff was unbelievable, every other word was a swear word and the physical abuse was unbelievable. And to top it all, the staff in charge was a lot younger than me and therefore was never in the army at that time. Therefore they are only working on hear say and not experience, and we all embellish our own little stories.
I agree that in 1956 when I enlisted into the army it was not a cushy number. Discipline was hard and there was always a lot of shouting by the drill staff and physical training instructors.
Whoa be tide anyone who dropped their weapon when doing rifle drill, for he would be made to run three times around the edge of the drill square with his 303 Lee Enfield rifle held over his head. This may appear to be an easy punishment, but the lads that had to do it were shattered at the end of three laps. Read the following taken from my book about my time in the army.
DISCIPLINE.
Discipline is the screw, the nail, the cement, the glue, the nut, the bolt and the rivet that holds everything together.
The Prussians have it. The Arabs don’t. In between is the Englishman. He accepts it, and adjusts it to his national character. The result is a disciplinarian of ferocity, patience, and infinite humour, who will go to hell and back, provided that the QM’s Department provide the tea and bacon butties.
The principle is simple; lay it on thick, fast, and often, with firmness, fairness, and consistency. The end result is, THE BRITISH SOLDIER.
On the TV show they punished the whole squad if anyone did anything wrong. In my time this only happened once.
SUNDAY MORNING CHURCH PARADE
09.30 hours every Sunday, in best dress and bulled boots, we stood in three ranks with a clean white hanky and small bible/hymn book in your left hand, and a three penny piece in your right.
We were marched to the church in squads, but got to walk back individually.
One Sunday, someone placed a brass button in the collection plate. I thought the world had come to an end. We were marched back to our room and changed into PT kit. The next hour was taken up with a forced march and run. It never happened again.
It angered me to see something that was a large part of my life for 25 years, being degraded by a TV company that is only out to make money, and to do this they have to distort the truth and give people a show that is so far from the truth that it is unbelievable.
To me, the object of basic training is to weaken the mold, then remodel the clay while it is still young and produce a man that can perform his duty with dedication and perfection. If you break the mold and destroy what is inside, then you not gained a thing.
Silky
Bombardier
31-07-06, 13:16
I agree with everything you have said Silky. I didnt serve in that day and age but think I know enough to support your comments. that said I have to say that i like the programme if only because it shows what a bunch of soft arsed idiots these so called criminal hard men really are.
From a purely military point of view ....ITS GARBAGE !.
Good rant Silky (Y)
Drone_pilot
31-07-06, 15:21
Short and sweet "Charle Romeo Alpha Papa"
I've never seen the prog but have heard about it from other sites and in the press. I'm not qualified to judge therefore but I think that this must be an offshoot of the "reality TV" that is so prevelant today.
I think you can all rest assured that it is not the army per se that is depicted here - the viewer requires vicarious pleasure in seeing discipline being dished out (discipline by proxy perhaps) and seeing how the blokes react to it. Possibly they the viewer will never be in a situation to receive such a shouting at or whatever but they can live the "experience" through the medium of the tv. The use of an army background is possibly an outdated mode of presenting what a producer perceives as discipline and the modern army. They may well have it wrong!
I for one am fed up with so-called 'reality TV.' I'd rather read a good book.
I think this is the 2nd series, but I've refused to watch any of it. The ads for it were enough to put me off, just more sensationalism dressed up as so-called 'reality'.
ArcticWolf
03-08-06, 00:18
I for one think that the 1950's theme was just an excuse in order to get funding to actually help these guys sort themselves out. I don't think the military theme is any more than a byline. It's the journey all these young men are on that matters, not the surroundings.
I mean, if you don't have the money to help young lads that are on the wrong path, but you really wanted to make a difference in their life somehow.
And then you came up with this idea. This idea that would make all those sensationalist TV producers let go of their money. An idea that would make it easier to help 'bad lads' grow into 'good men'.
And it actually works! That's the thing, the whole point. Just think of what happened to the lads from the first series, most of them are doing much better in their lives now, and it's all thanks to the 'tough love' they were subjected to during the programme.
I don't know what kind of background you men on here have, but I grew up seeing a lot of young men, and women, heading in the wrong direction for many many different reasons. When the young men, and women in some cases, did their military service, most of them actually got their act together and found the courage to go down the more difficult path - the straight and narrow path.
I believe that in a small way, the men behind this programme wanted to do something for the young men around them. The boys that they saw around them and worried about because they knew that if these boys got the right encouragement and help, they could grow into better men than what they started out as.
I really don't think that the 1950's military service theme was ever anything but a way to find the funding to help 'bad lads' grow into 'good men'.
It also sets an example for everyone. If you see a 'bad lad', take the time to talk to him, find out the real reason behind his behaviour. 9 times out of 10 you will find that he isn't a bad person, he's just reacting to a life that isn't good to him. At least it isn't in his mind.
Once, a long time ago, someone said that 'if I can't be loved, at least I want to be hated'. He was a skinhead and a neo-nazi. Because he felt no one loved him, and no one cared what happened to him, he did the one thing that would make people see him. All he wanted was someone's attention. Someone to see him, to love him and care about him.
That's why so many young men and women turn to gangs or extreme groups. Because these types of groups accepts you for who you are, not who you can become and they see you and acknowledge you and make you feel as though you matter. It's friendship that takes 110%. If someone mess with you they mess with the entire gang or extreme group you belong to. But this also means turning your back on society and becoming an outcast. And that hurts. But at least it's better than not being seen and not heard at all and being a nothing, a nobody.
This is just what I've learned and seen in life.
ArcticWolf
03-08-06, 00:41
(I meant to get back to the subject at hand but got sidetracked as always... My brain needs a re-boot.)
For these young men coming onto a programme like this means they are taking a step in the right direction.
Because deep down they know that they don't want to be the outcast of society, a choice you make when you join an extreme group, club or gang.
This programme is sensationalist, and it's hyped up and we probably don't get to see everything that happens and that matters, because the producers may have a different idea of what is 'good telly'. But at least the men behind this programme are trying to make a difference for these lads. And thankfully they are.
03Fox, When we did our three mile run, the SDI had the Platoon do a about face at the half way mark. His idea was that the big end(taller people where up front) would be in the rear and catch stragglers as they fell back. It stated being in the rear was harder psychologically because you always passed people who feel out. His goal was 100% completion of every boot. We did get one boot ordered to fall out because of a "prior lung issue". At the end of the run, I was caring a extra rifle, some had packs, some where helping others, who would have fallen out, finish the run. I think as a platoon that was a major part in shaping us into a team. We felt good with a 100% completion. Being the fastest platoon was not what was important, completing the run with 100% of our members was.
I think the biggest key aspect the Marines wanted every Marine to know is TEAM WORK. I felt that was evident over seas. When we got a new Marine in our company he was called a BNG, Brand new guy, same with new gear, Brand new gear it was a plus. What we got was another Marine. The term FNG, sort of pointing out the liability of a new soldier was used by the Army.
Fox I sent you a pm, of my platoon number at MCRD. Yes the rear was harder, that is why our SDI had us do a about face at the half way mark. Did you have canaries in boot?
As far as BNG, it was a term that was used, along with cherry. Boot is a very common expression. If I have one more day in the Corps than you, you will be a boot to me. I have a feeling you fishing for something. Long time back we were talking about B40 rockets, that is what we called the 120 MM rockets that were fired at us. I had a Army guy ream me for being a wannabe, because everyONE knew a B40 was the RPG 7. We just called rpgs, "rgs". He type the name of the rocket, and in the name, was "b40".. I guess that is were we got it.
Maybe blooper guns were never called blooper guns. Maybe back alley bridge was never played, there was never a big or little blooper in the game. When I joined I 3/3, another Marine said, "we got some BNGs".. It was term that was used where I was. Maybe 3rd MarDiv was never North. I too left RVN, Via Da Nang, Clark AFB to USNH Guam. I was asked were you from down South?, I would say, No, I am from up North. The almost common reply was "Japan?".
I know you were in 1st MarDiv (1/1 is a 1st MarDiv unit), I was mostly in 3/3, so we never passed trails. The only other Marine units in our TAR besides 3rd Marines (1/3, 2/3, 3/3), were 9th Marine. I was "up North". Idaho Canyon and Virginia Ridge where our two big ops. Don't remember the ops you mentioned. Originally 3/3 was out of Dong Ha, then HQ moved to Quang Tri. Army has a big base at Dong Ha, Red Devil.
CO for India Company was Capt. Trott, Top was Top Vasquez,
Want a Name Doc Aly, was with India 3/3..... In early August Lima 3/3 was hit by 9 long rounds, killing 3 Marines and 2 Corpsman in that unit. Doc Aly was sent to Lima co, he was KIA around 17 Sept, our last major battle on Mutter's ridge. Doc Aly... and all the Docs I know commands the hightest amount off respect any Marine can give to another. Doc Bo, was incharge of all the Docs in 3rd Marine.
OK My MOS, was 0353/0311.... Now you will say you had two MOSs? Actaully by the end of two years in the Marines I will have a total of three MOSs. I was on light duty when I left the Hospital and eventually was sent to Okinawa, By that time 3rd Marines were no longer in RVN. I remained on Light duty till discharge. I picked up a third MOS because of Top Hinkle (SP?) who was Top of Mike 3/3 in RVN and he remembered me. I was assigned the job as company mailman, but wanted to do more. I hate setting around. This was Service Company, HQ battalion.. He made me a clerk, to help with the work load, and added the 0141 MOS. Top Hinkle was transfer HQ company and his replacement was nuts. He fired me a clerk, said I was the worse clerk ever, I tried to explain, I never went to school and was learning... did not matter. Things got worse, to cut it short I requested Mast, And was TADed Camp Butler PMO, as Administrative Chief(of all things). In That command I was promoted meritoriously twice, Cpl and Sgt. So yes in less than two years I had three MOSs, and highest rank was Sgt. COs at that Command were Major Goggin(SP) the Major Gill (maybe not in that order)
BTW I am on the roster of 3/3 reunion association, Agent Orange regestry, Carry a Uniform privledge card because I am 100 P&T, My cars have DOD windshield Stickers. And I spent all day last Wednesday in the VA hospital in Portland OR because............. When My medical etc is 100% covered by the VA, there is insufficient funds to handel General Medical procedures, so only way to get treated is By the ER...........
Also you want to check call 1-503-273-5024, you will get the VA dental clinic and the only dental work they are doing is emergency ONLY, The Gal there told me th back log was some 800 Vets.. The Just hired a new dentist to replace one that left and are way behind in work load............
Now to cut the BS, and wannabe crap, I can send you a copy of my CURRENT military ID card. few areas blacked out. It has on it, DAVPRM USMC
I am also on other military boards some for a very very long time, and this one has been the cake when it comes to attacking ones own. I use to be on Alt.war.vietnam (a usenet) forum till it was over runned by idiots. A nick name from that was given to me by that group, as Gunny Hollis............ NO I WAS NEVER A GUNNY, but you can google that name. The BS about the B40 was on that forum...but did not last as long as the BS here. Also on that forum there are plenty of jokes about my spelling and typing...... Some things even spell checkers don't get.
BTW for Advisor, I never ate any Viet-Namese food in RVN, But in Salem Oregon there was a restrauant close to where I worked. Pho #1...... number one soup.
Bombardier
05-08-06, 23:40
Also on that forum there are plenty of jokes about my spelling and typing...... Some things even spell checkers don't get.
Your spelling is crap buddy, but you are most welcome here. (Y)
Hollis,
Not that it seems to matter any more, but I really was interested in what operations you served in. Over the years, I've met some that took part in the same operations as me, yet they served in different outfits or at different places. It's only when we compare stories and events that we can get the big picture. At my rank of Corporal, I wasn't privy to much intelligence beyond my patrol coordinates and our radio frequencies and call signs or a frag order. All of we 1st Marine grunts also played "back alley" every chance we got and I was pretty good with the M-79 or blooper, even though I carried an M-16. I myself am no longer on anyone's active roster, I'm not much of a group joiner, but I am currently in my local Marine Corps League detachment and a member of the Marine Corps Association. Semper Fi
You know the only card game I will play is back alley. you bet it was a grunt game, I don't think anyone else played it. we prefered to start with 13 cards and end with 13 cards in the deal, Starting with one was not bad, but ending with one was a mad house, in betting. It was a not stop game, some one kept the score sheet, and off we would play when we had a chance.
I am not a joiner either, I had free membership to DAV and let it pass. I was a member of the Legion in Kingman Az, it was the best place to go in town, really great guys.
.. I was only on those two ops. My understanding OPS were more time based, not so much location. I would think you were on Virginia ridge too...
Never did answer about Canaries(you don't have too), I assume who were in Boot camp before me. My Service number was 2497XXX. I still have my boot camp photo, I was looking for med-evac card I had. I have lost stuff over time.
Semper Fi
Hollis
Your spelling is crap buddy, but you are most welcome here. (Y)
Thanks, I am really not a back water ignorant person..... I am really a piss poor typist and speller...... Lord knows I have tried, even used spell checkers.... all in vain....... I actually went to some good schools and they even passed me on, maybe just to get rid of me.
H.
Hollis,
Canaries in boot camp ? I have no idea what you are talking about. We had a house mouse and a gopher, but I don't recall a canary. We did have someone "take flight" . He used our platoon guidon to pole vault over the fence near the airfield and make his escape. He was brought back the next day and I didn't recognize him because of his injuries sustained from his "capture". We were told after some brig time, he was to be sent to the motivation platoon and then a later series would pick him up. We never saw him again. Semper Fi
Part of first issue was a yellow MC Sweat Shirt. in June '68 at receiving. The "bald white" heads and yellow shirts, we were called canaries, as in the bird. Once we had our complete issues that was not the term. I don't know how time specific that term was.
Motivation, there were two platoons one for fat freddies the others were for, "troubled makers/non hackers". Early in BC, a Boot for each squad was assigned to go to motivation and tell the rest what they experienced. Definitely not a place to go. we got pretty cocky when we were able to unbutton our collar button and blouse our trousers.......... almost the real deal.
Our SDI apologized to us, he stated a few should have had been rotated back through BC, but the Corps needed Marines. I have a lot of respect for him, he was not highly formally educated but had a very high degree of practical knowledge of people. I had a year of College by the time I enlisted, sort of one of the "old men".
SF
H.
Hollis,
I still have one, and only one, of my original yellow sweatshirts. I also have a pair of scarlet (red) shorts issued. Only because my Mom ended up with these before I shipped out to Nam. Naturally, I can't get into either one, nor would I try, as these are two of my most prized posessions. I don't remember being called canaries, but I do remember many more names besides canary, none I will repeat on this site. As you know, only after the EGA device was worn at graduation, were we refered to as Marines. Semper Fi
BTW my first name is Hollis. I have been thinking about this affair and you are not much a part of it. The saddest part of friendly fire it is NOT friendly. Today I was at home alone, my family went to the lake with friends. I would wish to be a wannabe. We had our children later in life I will be 58 in Nov. My son is 13 daughter will be 12. One of the hardest part is not being able to be there or all the father children stuff. I joke with my kids, that I am famous because I have reserve parking any where I go. I have a golden access permit, we get great deal at national parks....... when we can go there. The state of Oregon gave me a life time hunting/Fishing license and Life time registration for my truck. I still cannot play much with my kids, I would enjoy being a wannabe and beable to play with my kids. I have great kids, and great friends. So next time Bill F, when you wannabe callin some one a wannabe.......... Keep in mind friendly fire is not friendly. I would love to have a 9 to 5 job... and all the fun that goes with it. On the other hand I am very greatful for what I have, I have spent many months in a VA hospital, and seen Vets much much worse than me. I feel I am very very fortunate.
Just call me wannabe Jodie....... (the guy who stayed at home and took care of the babes)
Bombardier
06-08-06, 08:32
Just call me wannabe Jodie.......
Thats the second time in 24 hours I have heard the term Jodie mentioned, the first was at around 2100 hours last night while watching the film Jarhead. I have been acquainted with a few "Jodies" in the last twenty years.
John A Silkstone
06-08-06, 10:05
Hi Hollis,
As a medic I’ve dealt with lots of people in your situation and they all had different outlooks on life.
From reading your articles I get a very big impression that you are coping and I would go as far as to say that’s it’s your family that has given you this fantastic outlook on life from your stand point.
I wish you all the best for the future, not only for yourself, but also for your wife and children.
Note I call them children, as kids is a hate word for me; kids are the young of a nanny goat.
Silky
Bill Farnie
06-08-06, 10:19
So next time Bill F, when you wannabe callin some one a wannabe.......... Keep in mind friendly fire is not friendly. I would love to have a 9 to 5 job... and all the fun that goes with it.
Boo-Hoo-Hoo .... Listen up. I backed off of you and I still don't believe a word you say, but Silky was right and I ceased fire. I suggest you STFU and don't address me anymore or you will really see what un-friendy fire feels like.
I'll tell you what, you want to make copies of crap that don't mean nothing to try and prove yourself, well how about a copy of your DD-214. You send me one ... I'll send you mine. With SS numbers and SN's and any other non-military items you want blacked out. What do you say Hollis?
Fox below is a post, I was going just delete and lets this message be it. I know what you saying, I don't agree with a few points, as you said time will solve this riddle. Until then think as you wish, and yes I am hostile about all of this. So I will no longer discuss this, if in time you feel other wise... and you are sincerely interested in something, ask and I will respond as well as I can. If I feel it still probing and continuing this mischief, I will just add you to the ignore list. I doubt if the rest of the members in this forum is interested in this BS.
Fox, I know, a study in the mid 90's had some 10 million American men claiming serve in RVN, which they did not do. The book Stolen Valor (Ibelieve is the name) covers this, you right it is a issue. But again, friendly fire is never friendly.
I PMed you my Platoon number, without hesitancy. I believe as you say, in time all is known. Personally I don't feel I should prove or disprove anything. As I mention I am on other forums too. There are, IMHO, better ways to deal with this type of Issues. As far as my posts, you mention I volunteered, I will re-read my posts, I believe this all started when I mentioned a Friend, who I do is know is another Vet, Was was just south of me during the same time period. The started the silly game. It took a while to get in touch with him, he is not doing very well. I don't have any clue about the Army, units, how they did things or could care less even if I could remember it.
Maybe you should re-read those post. I have not take exceptions to you, you seem most reserved in your approached, Maybe I should gig you for saying "FOX", when all the time I called it "Foxtrot" Company, My med-evac number was Foxtrot XXX.
BTW, at the onslaught of this, I offered to the MOD, to email them a copy of my ID card. Your right, they have a very good way with them. One reason I have tried to be very restrained with dealing with another member of this forum. Personally all of this is BS, If you kick me, I will respond.
As far as mistakes......... well, I was able to talk to another member of my company, that I knew in RN, he was the 6th's R/O. We discussed several incidents and my memory in a few details was flawed. Sadly he passed away from A/O induced cancer a few years back. My Friend Abe, is in terrible shape, and I really did not care for him to be insulted by someone else.....
Bombardier, Yeah Jodie is the guy I wanted to be.... The late 60's and early 70's was a great time. I like those hippie gals...... Thank you for your Indulgence. My appologies for any contributions that I added to this.
Bombardier
06-08-06, 23:53
I understand the need to be 100% sure of the people we correspond with on any forum on any site, yes there are impersonators and yes they make the blood of anyone who has served their country for real, Boil.
However I dont think that to get to the truth that we should be on the constant attack of said individual, time and patience will tell
If there is one thing I do know about liars and cheats, its that when they think that they have been discovered, they run a mile at the first challenge. Hollis has not done this, he has proven dogged and determined to stick around.
Sure we will never really know 100% if he is genuine, that said you dont know 100% that I am...do you?.
I will say this there have been things that I have said which were said from a very jagged memory...infact I think Droney challenged me about it once or twice. If somebody were to ask me in the finest detail about a particular drill or incident during my service then Im sure that my terrible memory would let me down and I would suffer the same suspicion as Hollis clearly has.
Lets let sleeping dogs lie and as has already been said...Time will tell (Y)
Semper Fidelis
UBIQUE
Per Mare per Terram
I salute you all
Bill Farnie
07-08-06, 00:40
Tell you what Andy, I'll leave for I'm not going to let up on this poser and for the good of your site I'll say goodbye. I'm not grandstanding but I know I'm right about this Hollis. He may have been in the military and maybe even the USMC but I assure you, he is no Vietnam Vet. My simple request for a copy of his DD-214 in a PM, which will show any and all overseas assignments, and with anything personal or not wished to be seen blacked out would stop this. I'm willing to provide the same to him or anyone. He doesn't want to, not because of any fear of identity theft and such, but because IF he has one, it will expose him for what he is.
Ta-ta my friends
Bombardier
07-08-06, 00:47
Bill
Nobody is asking anybody to leave...but of course its your choice.
I hope sincerely that you will reconsider your decision
Regards
Andy (Y)
John A Silkstone
07-08-06, 12:52
Bill as they say: Act in haste, repent at leisure.
Please don’t leave, take time off and come back later.
Silky
Drone_pilot
07-08-06, 14:45
Bill, please reconsider your actions, as you have been a good and respected member of this forum since the begining, and I for one will miss your comments and insite into the Vietnam War.(Y)
Hi Hollis,
As a medic I’ve dealt with lots of people in your situation and they all had different outlooks on life.
From reading your articles I get a very big impression that you are coping and I would go as far as to say that’s it’s your family that has given you this fantastic outlook on life from your stand point.
I wish you all the best for the future, not only for yourself, but also for your wife and children.
Note I call them children, as kids is a hate word for me; kids are the young of a nanny goat.
Silky
Thank you Silky. The Va is a big organization and has some limitations in helping vets. IMHO, they first reach for the pharmaceutical cure. They can treat physical and mental issues but can not touch the spiritual. About ten years ago, I met some guys from Pointman Ministries. Really great group of guys. The Man incharge for Oregon lives out in By the Dalles, Eastern Oregon and has done a lot for vets in Oregon. The only possible draw back to Pointman Ministries is that the are a Christian base group. For a Vet with Christian beliefs I would highly encourage that they check out Pointman Ministries. There is also CMA, Christian Motorcycle Association. In Oregon we also have the Oregon veterans motorcycle association (long name I never get right) I was a member one year, but live too rural for them. I had to give up riding about 5 years ago.
The other neat aspect here, The Trbial council are very supportive of vets. My wife works for a Tribal council. Where she works there was a Pow Wow Honoring vets recently. The Native Americans have always been very supported of Vets. Unlike the US culture in the 70's and 80's.
I think the other aspect Is being a house Hubby, or a mr. Mom. I have very much enjoyed being able to be home for my kids. Wife is pretty much a professional women. I also live in a remote place. It is very quite.
Kids, I think, is a US thing, I believe coined by H. Hart Craine, a poet around 1920 - 1930ish. I think it was from a poem, Voyages. I have the book somewhere. I always enjoyed poetry. something like, "O' brilliant kids frisk with your dog........"
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Hollis is personally known to me to have served with India Co, 3rd Bn, 3rd Marines in Vietnam in 1969. This is confirmed not only by personal contact, but by Unit Diary entries and Monthly Personnel Roster entries from the USMC archives (I have some 16,000 pages of archives on 3/3 RVN era).
We have rostered nearly 10,000 USMC and USN/FMF personnel who served in 3/3, in country, from May 1965 through Sep 1969.
Please assuage any doubts of the veracity of Hollis's service. It is fully documented in our archives.
No other RVN unit has the vast archival materials such as we have for 3/3, and particularly a database documenting each man's tour, and which pages of the Unit Diaries his name appears on. We can annotate from where each man came from, and to where he went.
We have documented over 3,400 Purple Hearts, 639 KIA/DOW/DAI, and at least 2 POW's (one released in 1973, Simmons, an alumni who went Army after his USMC tour, still listed MIA/KIA/BNR).
We have contact with nearly 5,000 of our men, and have confirmed over 1,700 KIA or known deceased since Nam. Our locator site (our roster of contacts is not published for security reasons... but is available to our alumni) is at http://www.ThirdMarines.net The site is currently undergoing an overhaul due to a security breach in our old server...
Personally, which I will assume will be challenged, I was a Corpsman (USN type one each) and served as a Plt Doc and as Sr Squid with Mike Co. 3/3 in 1969, along with 3 other assignments RVN with 3rd MarDiv and FLC/FLSG-B before retuning CONUS for RFAD. I served nearly 3 years FMF (of my 4 year hitch) with the USMC. I am a grunt, albeit by proxy. ::>)
Doc Hoppy
M/3/3 1969
www.ThirdMarines.net (http://www.ThirdMarines.net)
Co-founder/BnAdmin
I registered with this site only for this response, I probably will not return to view it again. I keep VERY busy assisting my old comrades and helping them document their tours, and making is possible for them to get in contact with other old buddies.
Semper Fi
Doc Hoppy
Bombardier
07-08-06, 21:35
Thanks Doc Happy, its a shame you will not stick around though (Y)
It's Doc Hoppy,... rarely happy... LOL
Tain't nobuddy messes with my jarheads (or squids)... ::>)
Hope I assuaged any doubts on Hollis... and if anyone represents themselves as 3/3 and you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me.
Doc Hoppy
M/3/3 1969
www.ThirdMarines.net (http://www.ThirdMarines.net)
Co-founder/BnAdmin
Bombardier
07-08-06, 23:05
oops typo...again sorry mate, I meant to type Hoppy.
Im sure you are happy though buddy (Y)
Tell you what Andy, I'll leave for I'm not going to let up on this poser and for the good of your site I'll say goodbye. I'm not grandstanding but I know I'm right about this Hollis. He may have been in the military and maybe even the USMC but I assure you, he is no Vietnam Vet. My simple request for a copy of his DD-214 in a PM, which will show any and all overseas assignments, and with anything personal or not wished to be seen blacked out would stop this. I'm willing to provide the same to him or anyone. He doesn't want to, not because of any fear of identity theft and such, but because IF he has one, it will expose him for what he is.
Ta-ta my friends
I might be new to this site and may even have only registered because of this BS that ive read.
Who gives a flying...... what you believe BF. Back off Hollis man. I mean who the hell are you to go so far out of your way to discredit Hollis, for all we know you might be an impersonator too ?
What im trying to say is give the guy a break and grow up.... I have read nothing that would suggest he is an inpersonator, and if he is then he has to live with that.
You really do have some issues buddy and I hope you are seeking help to sort them out, if you are a Vietnam Vet then you desrve to have the best.
Good Luck sal;
Bombardier
20-11-06, 23:11
Bad Lads Army
I've watched few episodes. What amused me the most was when (probably first episode) one of the "tough" criminals was crying after 1 day of this camp and wanted to leave. I can't comment about how real this is compared to British Army in 50's, cause I don't know anything about that.
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