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Bombardier
20-02-04, 18:33
The army's performance on campaign has often encouraged those who were critical of its peacetime habits to applaud its wartime achievements. Part of the problem stems from the fact that until the world wars many of those who wrote about the soldier, in poetry or in prose, had little contact with him and so judged him by superficialities: he was a hero in battle, a nuisance in barracks. Rudyard Kipling was educated in England but spent his early career as a journalist in India, where he often talked to British soldiers and found that they were far more complex than the usual literary clichés suggested. His poem 'Tommy', one of his Barrack-Room Ballads (1892), expresses the soldier's contempt for a society which scorns him until there is fighting to be done. It goes straight to the heart of the ambivalent relationship between Britain and her army. The 'widow' in the poem is Queen Victoria.

POEM

I went into a public-'ouse to get a pint of beer, The publican 'e ups and sez, "We serve no red-coats here." The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fir to die, I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I: O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, 'a' "Tommy, go away"; But it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins," when the band begins to play ? The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play. O
it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins," when the band begins to play.


I went into a theatre as sober as could be, They gave a drunk civilian room but 'adn't none for me; They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls, But when it comes to fightin', Lord! They'll shove me in the stalls! For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, wait outside"; But it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide ? The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide, O it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide?


You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all, We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational. Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face The Widow's uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace. For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!" But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot; An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please; An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool ? you bet that Tommy sees!


Rudyard Kipling's Verse, Inclusive Edition
1885-1932

snapper
21-02-04, 08:50
What a great poem and its so true that the public, even today treat Servicemen in this way :?

Frisco-Kid
21-03-04, 00:56
This is probably my favorite Kipling poem. It was embraced by alot of VN Veterans that read it, as it reflected the way that we often felt ourselves thought of by our own Government and fellow countrymen. Most of us weren't exactly lovingly embraced upon our return from our war, unlike our fathers and uncles from theirs. And it was often like pulling teeth to get our Veterans benefits that we were promised/entitled to. Kipling was definately a friend of the enlisted man.

Zofo
21-03-04, 10:54
Not only the enlisted man...Kipling, like the Empire, adored Field Mrshal Lord Roberts of Kandahar (the place name now rings lots of bells) and wrote a poem for him too.

There's a little red faced man,
Which is Bobs,
Rides the tallest 'orse 'e can -
Our Bobs.
If it bucks or kicks or rears,
'E can sit for twenty years
With a smile round both 'is ears -
Can't yer Bobs?

The poem goes on to describe his dislike of drink and notwithstanding that, how the troops would (and did) follow him through thick and thin.

drywall
06-04-04, 15:01
I'm what is called over here a "vietnam era" vet, those who served but not in country, during the war. I did 29 months in germany from '66 to '68. I don't know how I got so lucky but I wasn't complaining. Anyway, the point I want to make is that ALL returning servicemen were painted with the same broad brush by the general public. As Tom said, we were not lovingly embraced when we got home. There was a long period when I didn't even admit to having been in the army. The attitude of the country had changed 180 degrees in the time I was gone. When I joined in '65 it was still sort of a WWII "can do" sort of thing. I have to really really admire those who joined after 1968 in the face of all the protests at home. I'm not so sure I would have done it then.